Astute
Well-Known Member
There wasn't a cat and there wasn't a bag.
So you think that a new leader for the Tories wouldn't get more votes for them?
There wasn't a cat and there wasn't a bag.Because the cat is out of the bag. When the election was called Corbyn was down 20-25 points in the polls and in 6 weeks reduced that to 3. The polls also showed very large numbers of the public having a more positive opinion of him than before as they saw him campaigning on a national stage and liked it. Give this election another few weeks and we may well have won it.
Then we also have an electorate that by now is likely fed up of elections and referendums.
Rob from the poor and give it to the rich.What are core Tory values, out of interest?
Tony....if May steps down like she should I can't see anything past Boris becoming their next leader.
He may be a buffoon. But a lot of the public like him.
He does the clown act very well. Managing to con millions into thinking that Bullingdon Boris is a man of the people, he is of the same ilk as Dave and laughs at them behind closed doors.
The cat in the bag being the illusion of Tory competence. The party doesn't know what the hell it's doing and for all their whining now when May asked for an election they were all behind it and thought their majority was going up. The clown is their best hope but he will still be campaigning on a platform to fuck people over. Let's not forget he wrote essays for and against Brexit when the referendum was called.There wasn't a cat and there wasn't a bag.
So you think that a new leader for the Tories wouldn't get more votes for them?
Because the cat is out of the bag. When the election was called Corbyn was down 20-25 points in the polls and in 6 weeks reduced that to 3. The polls also showed very large numbers of the public having a more positive opinion of him than before as they saw him campaigning on a national stage and liked it. Give this election another few weeks and we may well have won it.
Then we also have an electorate that by now is likely fed up of elections and referendums.
Didn't he claim in an interview that the Tory manifesto included £350m a week for the NHS? From a Labour perspective, he would be ideal.
Maintaining momentum during a lull isn't as easy as you make out.
Also do you seriously think the Tories are going to sit back and do nothing?
Consider this. The campaign was undoubtably the worst in British political modern history. A car crash with a leader who couldn't communicate. While Corbyn was handing out free tickets to university may was alienating core voters and then pretending she never did.
Yet and yet the Labour Party gained about 5 more seats than when Gordon brown conducted his dire campaign.
Corbyn will have to gain around 47% of the vote if the minor parties are not going to recover.
The Tories will appoint a new leader and they will make concessions to the manifesto and that will gain them momentum. No one can moan if they remain in power as ultimately the electorate delivered a result that wants a Tory led coalition focused on its policies.
Kevin Maguire on the politics show said he couldn't see how Corbyn would ever win and that some voters who never believed he'd win will change allegiance next time round.
Has he?So he's done a u turn after 1 week. Power corrupts eh?
Exactly...exploitation!He doesn't import cheaper workers. His business just so happens to be in a sector that over the years has had more and more trouble employing people from the UK for the wages that sector traditionally pays and that gap has been filled by EU workers who will.
No doubt he made a mistake with his referendum vote.
To take off-shore or abroadRob from the poor and give it to the rich.
Has he?
So have you...you inferred earlier that he had lied about another election. Now it's a u-turn.
Where has he said anything about calling for another election? If he has I'm unaware of it. I recall hearing him say that he wouldn't call for one. He hasn't called for one from what I can tell. He has predicted there will be one later this year or early next though.
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He called for an election this morning - there can't be an election unless he actually wants one - the parliament act is still in force.
Yes it is but if a government loses a no confidence motion an election is called if it doesn't win another confidence motion within 14 days.
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Labour has a six-point lead over the Tories, new poll finds
Article from the Independent based on an article in the Sunday Mail.
How so?You seem rather ignorant on British legislation.
A motion of no confidence, or censure motion, is a motion moved in the House of Commons with the wording: 'That this House has no confidence in HM Government'. If such a motion is agreed to, and a new government with the support of a majority of MPs cannot be formed within a period of 14 calendar days, Parliament is dissolved and an early General Election is triggered.
A motion of no confidence is one of only two ways in which an early General Election may be triggered under the terms of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011.
Yes he did, was asked about the £350m plastered on the Brexit bus and said it was correct and in the manifesto!Didn't he claim in an interview that the Tory manifesto included £350m a week for the NHS? From a Labour perspective, he would be ideal.
I hate to break this to you but the election was last week.
I will take that as a no then and that you're a bottler.
He didn't call for one at all.He called for an election this morning - there can't be an election unless he actually wants one - the parliament act is still in force.
How so?
You believe the Conservative MPs are so happy with Mays performance there is zero chance of any voting against her?The unionists are hardly going to side with labour as indeed the independent won't and Tories won't vote against their own party so the only way it will happen is if the government cannot form any arrangement and then the Labour Party vote with it for an election rather than form a government of their own.
You believe the Conservative MPs are so happy with Mays performance there is zero chance of any voting against her?
It's no confidence in the government. An MP bringing down their own party? Good luck with that - no chance.
You've got a short memory. That is what May has just done.
Maybe so but still they are the only party to be able to form a government.
What makes you think Labour would win in a re-election?
That remains to be seen.Maybe so but still they are the only party to be able to form a government.
You see this I never understand. I didn't have a problem with Brown in charge and neither with May. I don't get this idea they were not elected. A party choose the leader not the electorate. My voting paper was for a choice of local candidates representing a party so it was Conservative v Labour and not May v Corbyn or Brown v Cameron.Being higher than an unvoted for Gordon Brown isn't much of an achievement. That was a low point.
What makes you think Labour would win in a re-election?
Corbyn won a moral victory. People who didn't vote for him last time will do next time. There will be a bandwagon effect.
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