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They really didn't.
If they did we'd know eaxactly what we were getting, wouldn't we.
They really didn't.'Leave' voters knew exactly what they were voting for
Wrong as usual.
'Leave' voters knew exactly what they were voting for and you know it.
It just doesn't suit your agenda to admit it.
Yeah I don't believe all this in the papers. It makes a good story if we hate eachother and no deals etc. the truth is both sides are very smart and knowledgeable. Aparently the punish talk has been knocked off now and I wouldn't know how they could punish anyway.
Why? She's not talking to a terrorist group -- the group in question were defending their right to be in the UK against a military force aimed at going against the democratic will of the majority of its people.
Well, that's just complete bollocks.
There's a million shades of grey between staying in the EU and crashing out on WTO term FFS.
Corbyn and McDonnell are tied to leave - they were demanding article 50 was triggered the day after the referendum.
One of their ambitions has always been to get out of the single market. Ironic the remain voters voted in numbers for a party whose leader has voted against EU integration more times than his opponent.
So it's ok for the invaders to annex a large chunk of a country, and then persecute The indigenous
people that live there, but under no circumstances should they be allowed to fight back.
I bet you're all over the Israeli occupation of Palestine as well aren't you.
Yes, I know it's one of my concerns about JC. Still, he is far preferable to May.
You keep contradicting yourself. The result was leave. There was never a question about hard or soft, but Brexit will either be hard or soft and with or without being in the single market. You voted for neither hard nor soft - even if for some strange reason you thought you were voting for hard. You were never consulted on that and have to take Brexit as it comes - for better or for worse. Next time someone offers you something make sure you know what you are getting before agreeing to it.
Both sides are very smart? An example. One side has a team of experienced negotiators and deals with most countries in the world. The other voted leave with no trade negotiators and depended on deals made by the club it is leaving. There was no advanced planning, no contingency plans and nobody had discussed things such as hard Brexit and soft Brexit. Up until now - just before leaving negotiations start - one side doesn't know what it is negotiating for - e.g. Hard or soft Brexit. There are 197 trade deals to be negotiated to get back to where we were. Enjoy.
The EU will not give us a better deal than paying in, or even non paying in, members get. Nothing to do with punishment, just that it is the way membership deals work.
Another aspect of jumping ship not knowing what comes next, is the need to crawl round scum like Trump, Saudi and now the religious retards of the DUP to support the party that allowed Brexit to happen without giving the full details of what could happen or what people were voting for. Leave? Ok. What does that mean? Hard for some, soft for others.... Brexit means Brexit means exactly that.... a hollow May phrase like "enough is enough". In other words, Brexit means what you want to believe you voted for, but just like a religious faith there is no substance behind it. Just keep believing in it and you'll be alright.
I sincerely hope that the EU gives us another year to sort out what we actually want as a future trading partner. It will give us time to have the next election based on the economy and whether we still want to go down the stony path of Brexit. Maybe someone can seriously lay out a plan for a non EU Britain which will leave us in a stronger economic position than pre Brexit. We have only had stories of the NHS 350 million per week and a queue of countries dieting to give us better trade deals than the EU negotiators have from the leavers.
Money talks and it does through the economy. Consumer spending down, inflation up, unemployment up, pound down. The message from the economy says it all.
If all she is doing is serving the tea, I reckon she can stay on indefinitely!I see May has come out and said she will 'serve as long as we want her too.'
Therefore hopefully she will be out by tea-time tomorrow.
Sorry Martcov. That's just crap. I know you admitted you can't accept the result but leave voters just want brexit. Hard and soft was never discussed which at least you admitted until brexit happened then all of a sudden these terms come out to play. Everyone I know who voted brexit has never once mentioned hard or soft to me.
But we knew we were going to simply be further shackled by EU laws, fleeced by the poorer states to improve their infrastructures & swamped by their peoples if we remained.They really didn't.
If they did we'd know eaxactly what we were getting, wouldn't we.
You do realise that if you assist poorer countries to develop they become effective trading partners making both countries richer in the long run and completely mitigate the need for economic migration?But we knew we were going to simply be further shackled by EU laws, fleeced by the poorer states to improve their infrastructures & swamped by their peoples if we remained.
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That's an interesting slant on thing G. And since when did 42% share of the votes cast become a majority in true democracy??? The Tories would only have a 42% say in things one might argue if we were a true(r) democracy with proportional representation.Why? She's not talking to a terrorist group -- the group in question were defending their right to be in the UK against a military force aimed at going against the democratic will of the majority of its people.
How would you define the Norway option? Even before the referendum leave politicians were claiming that no one was talking about threatening the country's place in the single market.
Well not really. I don't remember Mali being Germany's biggest car export market in the world? This is why we have such a good hand. So your comparison is flawed. Nice try though.
Wrong as usual.
'Leave' voters knew exactly what they were voting for and you know it.
It just doesn't suit your agenda to admit it.
Then why did everyone from both campaigns say if we vote to leave we are leaving the single market. David Cameron, nick clegg, farage, Johnson, gove and osbourne. It was said over and over again.the single market is not that bad a thing but it's everything that comes with it that bothers me Sickboy.
As for Norway, they have a deal that suits them. I don't want a Norway deal, we have better cards than they do. We are bigger and better than Norway. Not everyone believes we are that's the problem.
Switzerland and Norway aren't in the EU. They have bespoke deals for them and we need one for us.
Are we substituting the EU with Mali? What electronic goods have Mali to offer? Germany wants to build up Poland as a car market as one of several alternatives to the UK market. Seems they are more sensible. Still good luck with Mali.
Yes...I even stated that in the run up to the Referendum, where I voted to remain - BUT try telling that to the carpenters, builders, nurses, retail workers & many more besides that cannot feed/clothe their kids properly, or pay the mortgage anymore because they have lost or fear losing their jobs to cheap foreign migrants. And that simply to permit corporations to make even more profit to spirit away from our shores without even paying a fair whack in tax, therefore depriving OUR infrastructure of the investment in needs - hence all the potholes, worries over the NHS, cities & towns & communities in decline..the whole system stinks.You do realise that if you assist poorer countries to develop they become effective trading partners making both countries richer in the long run and completely mitigate the need for economic migration?
Explain why KoK thinks that he voted for hard Brexit when the word hadn't been used before the reality started setting in. He is just one person. Millions thought they were getting soft Brexit. How come? Your agenda is that Brexit means wealth and prosperity for the UK. Bollocks. We haven't even got to the first hurdle and the government is fxxked. Plenty more chaos and bad economic results to come. Certainly hope that you didn't vote knowing what was coming.
I see May has come out and said she will 'serve as long as we want her too.'
Therefore hopefully she will be out by tea-time tomorrow.
Yes...I even stated that in the run up to the Referendum, where I voted to remain - BUT try telling that to the carpenters, builders, nurses, retail workers & many more besides that cannot feed/clothe their kids properly, or pay the mortgage anymore because they have lost or fear losing their jobs to cheap foreign migrants. And that simply to permit corporations to make even more profit to spirit away from our shores without even paying a fair whack in tax, therefore depriving OUR infrastructure of the investment in needs - hence all the potholes, worries over the NHS, cities & towns & communities in decline..the whole system stinks.
So I can easily & fully understand THAT too...& why the majority vote was to leave!
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Yes it does include tariffs but it won't come to that. A free trade deal will happen it's just how we get there is the question. How much we give up or how I call backsliding we do to get it?
A free trade deal works for both of us. Germany have the biggest say in the EU I think we all can agree on. What they say will go. The fact we are the German car industry biggest export country in the world I would expect this to rule.
So it's ok for the invaders to annex a large chunk of a country, and then persecute The indigenous
people that live there, but under no circumstances should they be allowed to fight back.
I bet you're all over the Israeli occupation of Palestine as well aren't you.
I voted leave. I want Brexit but at no detriment. I don't trust that Theresa May can deliver that due to her lack of political finesse.
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Thank you.A remainer who speaks common sense. I applaud you sir. You clearly believed in remain but accept the result and get why. Honorable.
A remainer who speaks common sense. I applaud you sir. You clearly believed in remain but accept the result and get why. Honorable.
I note you said "I want brexit" you didn't tell us whether you wanted hard or soft brexit?
However she wasn't addressing Labour voters but the Tory MPs.
Addressing a meeting of backbenchers, the PM reportedly said she would serve as "long as you want me to do".
Chaos?Don't know why we're wasting two years with all this negotiating lark when we all know what we're getting at the end of it.
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