But when they hired wrong managers the system didn't work did it? Got lucky with robins.
We can't rely on luck long term
I mentioned it earlier on another thread, the clubs stated the new "head coach" will have to work within the club structure.... but never mentioned that means keeping the current first team coaches ,I reckon any new "Head coach" will want their own trusted assistants.Got lucky with Robins then king came along and fucked everything up.
The notion that the IT Crowd will give us stability and the support the new man needs is fanciful I'd say.
At least let him bring in his own staff.
I kind of know what you mean Wingy, ambitious claims and fancy talk not backed up by much? But Sisu's ownership was always real estate speculation disguised as football club ownership. As far as I can see that's not King's motivation.Speeded up Ranson era?
yeah, we do need a sporting director/director of footballI’d rather not be owned by anyone connected to a hedge fund! I really do think King should have someone running the club on his behalf/properly advising him.
Although it's not her official title, given that she's been involved in the interviewing and recruitment of the coaches and the change in the coaching set-up, it does feel like Dr. Roberts is at least partially filling the role unofficially.yeah, we do need a sporting director/director of football
Speeded up Ranson era?
The AV info was sort of in plain sight on the first training session vlog. The cameraman Asked Milan what he thought of the session. Something to the effect of ‘much better’So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.
The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.
In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....
However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.
Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.
So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.
There is nobody already lined up to come in.
Not feeling that myself. It’s onwards and upwards. The caveat being that I don’t want Lampard despite some good comments on some of the posts. I’ll be chuffed if we pull out of this poor run. 26 games 19 points is not good form. Robins had a difficult task once he’d lost unpopular AV.If all this is true and I'm not saying it isn't God help us. We're in for a very bleak future.
I didn't think I could feel any emptier after MR's sacking but I am.
question - what makes the coaches ‘sub-standard’ if they’ve got the requisite uefa qualifications to do the job? Perception of the players? Or just differences in the coaches methods themselves?
just looked this up - both Adi and Dennis are uefa pro licence holders.
George Boateng also has a uefa pro licence, the other three all have the A licence.
Adi was doing youth teams at Chelsea before he came here so not dissimilar.
Yup, look at Neville Chamberlain and his piece of paper and look what happened there.Same as many things
A piece of paper telling you someone's good at something means fuck all in real world situations
The corporate way,What I’m struggling to understand is what King thinks Robins has done wrong.
If under this new structure the manager has had all almost all his duties split out to other coaches, what was Robins left with? Was his job just to pick the team and do the pre match talk?
If under this new structure the manager has had all almost all his duties split out to other coaches, what was Robins left with?
Viveash was at Chelsea for six years after an 18 year playing career, Carr (who has deleted his LinkedIn lol) was at the Irish Women’s team for 18 months with a background in fitness. Boateng apparently let go by Villa U21s then assistant at Ghana where they failed to qualify out of their group.
It’s possible that due to Robin’s comments after recent games re attitude/energy etc that he became too vocal and anti-establishment. And we know what happens when King thinks he’s undermined.So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.
The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.
In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....
However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.
Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.
So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.
There is nobody already lined up to come in.
The corporate way,
minimise the responsibility someone has then suddenly find they’re not required. Change the job title and bring someone else in, who won’t step out of line and question your authority
The AV info was sort of in plain sight on the first training session vlog. The cameraman Asked Milan what he thought of the session. Something to the effect of ‘much better’
TheI mentioned it earlier on another thread, the clubs stated the new "head coach" will have to work within the club structure.... but never mentioned that means keeping the current first team coaches ,I reckon any new "Head coach" will want their own trusted assistants.
100% certain Lampard will be asking for that (if the very strong rumours are correct).
Yes it is. But first day back, new coaches etc. I took it to be a reflection on the changeThat's weird as Milan is a shadow of himself.
That's weird as Milan is a shadow of himself.
It was an easier decision to sack MR and blame him than blame himself for other hires that sufficed his strategy that are not working out.What I’m struggling to understand is what King thinks Robins has done wrong.
If under this new structure the manager has had all almost all his duties split out to other coaches, what was Robins left with? Was his job just to pick the team and do the pre match talk?
Welcome to the "real world"Now I’m starting to calm down I will be a little less critical of King
I think his intentions are to improve the club, regardless of what works.
And I also think it’s unfair to say he’s trying to do things on the cheap. These coaches will be costing far more than Robins & Viveashs salaries
They'll be happy if it does work, but that's a big if.Ok fair do’s Adi was at a much higher level and won stuff.
Carr was also at Bristol city, wolves and also teaches on the uefa B course.
but if we’re going on track record, how do coaches progress along a career path if they aren’t given opportunities at higher levels?
I think DK has a big problem with the next appointment - does he go for a proven winner to get us promoted? If so there’s not many/no-one available?
or does he do an Ipswich or Birmingham and give a relatively unknown coach a first opportunity at the level and see if it works - because if that’s the case there’s gonna be a lot of people unhappy.
Isn’t attitude and energy within the Performance Director’s remit?It’s possible that due to Robin’s comments after recent games re attitude/energy etc that he became too vocal and anti-establishment. And we know what happens when King thinks he’s undermined.
I’m not even sure he had full authority on team selection.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.Now I’m starting to calm down I will be a little less critical of King
I think his intentions are to improve the club, regardless of what works.
And I also think it’s unfair to say he’s trying to do things on the cheap. These coaches will be costing far more than Robins & Viveashs salaries
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