Grendel
Well-Known Member
I knew you were keen on ACL but loving a faceless management company is taking it too far.
Grendel & Torch you can hurl abuse as much as you like at me !!!!
The one thing that keeps me going on this site is the love for my club and knowing that you two only represent a minority of our fans !!!!!
Grendel & Torch you can hurl abuse as much as you like at me !!!!
The one thing that keeps me going on this site is the love for my club and knowing that you two only represent a minority of our fans !!!!!
I knew you were keen on ACL but loving a faceless management company is taking it too far.
I couldn't resist coming back for one more post.
Thank you all for your kind words and concern over my health. ....... You all seem unconcerned that I have supported the City for over 50 years but more concerned that I am leaving the forum after "only 3 weeks" - those observant amongst you will be aware that my VERY FIRST POST was to ask the question "IS THIS FORUM PRO-SISU, BECAUSE IF IT IS, I DO NOT WANT TO JOIN". You have finally answered me.
I hope you will all be very happy in Timmie's Sky Blue Heaven........NOT
I knew you were keen on ACL but loving a faceless management company is taking it too far.
Joy is supposedly in charge of this branch of SISU. What does she look like?
Joy is supposedly in charge of this branch of SISU. What does she look like?
No one supports SISU.
If this is the case how can anyone want SISU to be able to take charge of the Ricoh? Can anyone tell me how they can be trusted in any way other than destroying our club. They have done a good job of it since Operation Premiership. Now they have a 10 year plan
This is my last post on here until SISU have gone because all this constant uncertainty and aggro is getting to me too much - I find myself waking up in a sweat and dashing to the computer in the vain hope that these crooks have gone. I have supported the City since 1962 and had hoped that Administration or a Buyout would have been resolved with SISU getting out by now. But all we do on forums is go round the same issues time and time again under different topics.
It seems we have 3 camps in the City:
1) Those that are grateful for what SISU have done and insist we ought to be grateful for them saddling us with £70m of debt (strange I know, but there are people out there who actually believe this claptrap)
2) those that detest SISU but want ACL to do a deal with them so we can play at the Ricoh. Their view is that by doing so the City will rapidly begin to turn a profit for SISU making them more willing to sell (highly unlikely, would take YEARS before the profits start to materialise)
3) the third camp, the one I subscribe to, wants ACL to refuse to deal with SISU and totally support the "not a penny more" campaign (we feel the ONLY way to get rid of SISU is to starve them out and force them to sell to cut their losses).
So you see, we keep regurgitating the same stuff - there will be supporters of all 3 camps replying - but I for one have had enough. So no more sleepless nights, no more banter and aggro, until SISU have gone I'll even go shopping with the missus rather than waste my time fretting over a club which to my mind died the day the Administrator and the FL gave it back to SISU. And I don't want to talk about it anymore either - so, so long fans forums too. :claping hands::claping hands::claping hands:
You're right - supporting City is wonderful. Thanks genius.
Am I really being criticised by Lordsummerisle of all people for being negative?
Joy is supposedly in charge of this branch of SISU. What does she look like?
I'm a little old fashioned and want my football club to own their own ground.
Who are the nameless investors behind SISU?
So do we all.
Are you saying you trust SISU to own the ground? You don't think they would make yet another branch of our club which would own the ground? Would it be our club which owns the ground?
We all want CCFC to own their own ground. The problem is most of us don't trust SISU.
Been a problem from the start not knowing who really owns us from behind the scenes.
Not that most were at all bothered for years about it to be honest, nort would be bothered if another group of faceless investors took over from Sisu either.
The way I see it is:
Starve the club of money, club is less sell-able, Sisu will liquidate.
Sisu get the ground, it makes the club more sell-able, less reason to liquidate.
The point is, no one knows. You don't know, I don't know. They might make a mess or it or they might make a success of it. Unfortunately, there are some - yourself included - who say it will definitely be a disaster and so will fight against it. They write begging letters to ACL and to the Council stating "it will be a disaster". That gives Fisher and his cohorts more ammunition for moving away from the Ricoh. The NOPM campaign is equally counter-productive. The hysteria is fever pitch and it's not helping the club one bit.
Actually I will apologise for the abuse, that was out of order. However I still totally disagree with the NOT ONE PENNY MORE stance and your defence of ACL rather than CCFC.
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The point is, no one knows. You don't know, I don't know. They might make a mess or it or they might make a success of it. Unfortunately, there are some - yourself included - who say it will definitely be a disaster and so will fight against it. They write begging letters to ACL and to the Council stating "it will be a disaster". That gives Fisher and his cohorts more ammunition for moving away from the Ricoh. The NOPM campaign is equally counter-productive. The hysteria is fever pitch and it's not helping the club one bit.
I like this guys Idea, near the end,go to about 44 mins in ,he's on for about Five minutes "Henry Winters View."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01b6jnd
Been a problem from the start not knowing who really owns us from behind the scenes.
Not that most were at all bothered for years about it to be honest, nort would be bothered if another group of faceless investors took over from Sisu either.
And that's what people seem to ignore. Once SISU have gone the next lot of faceless investors will take their place.
Torch,
But are SISU not the first bunch of faceless investors to own us?
All our previous owners were known were they not? You might not have liked their ugly faces, and you might not have liked what they did to our club, but surely we knew who they were?
Which is one of the reasons I have openly been against us being owned by a hedge fund since they first raised their greedy heads, and would be equally opposed to another bunch of faceless financial opportunists taking over. Their way of doing business has no place in football. This should have been clear before they became out owners.
I do not blame fans for this as they have no say in it anyway the way football is run in England. I blame the Football League, the Football Association and the Government for allowing what has happened to football in our country.
I also do not blame most fans for not understanding international finance and the court systems that hedge funds use/abuse to get their way. You cannot quite say that SISU act illegally because they push the edges of what is acceptable legally, but one can certainly state that they are immoral and they do not belong in football and they need to go as soon as possible.
(And I and many millions of others would say that hedge funds and other financial institutions have no place in our world at all given that they are majorly responsible for the financial catastrophies suffered by our world in recent years).
I agree, but most revelled in the fact we were owned by a ruthless hedge-fund, and "balls of steel" Joy Seppalla was just what we needed to make sure we weren't pushed around.
Sisu and Seppalla haven't changed one jot from when they took us over and were supported by a huge majority.
To claim "we didn't know what they were like" like most do is plainly untrue.
It's also simply not true that people knew what they would be like, I think the vast vast majority of us have received a harsh lesson in just how cutthroat and ruthless business can be.
It's ridiculous to suggest we knew what sisu would be like, ridiculous.
It's ridiculous that people cheering on a hedge-fund didn't realise what they were cheering.
I'm giving people benefit of the doubt by saying that they knew what a hedge-fund was like when they cheered it.
You appear to be saying that they were just stupid.
Think you may be the one who's right on this one.
Blinded in Euphoria and Ignorance may be fairer.
Blinded in Euphoria and Ignorance sounds like a Muse track!
It's ridiculous that people cheering on a hedge-fund didn't realise what they were cheering.
I'm giving people benefit of the doubt by saying that they knew what a hedge-fund was like when they cheered it.
You appear to be saying that they were just stupid.
Think you may be the one who's right on this one.
It's all redundant after the event, but I can't help but notice some of those quickest to shout down all voices now are the same voices who were happy to call others morons for pointing out what we were letting ourselves in for.
Pointless in the immediate scheme of things, as it's better people realise ruthless investment funds aren't great later than not at all, but does give me concern that some of those self same people then shout down any message of caution about us not throwing ourselves at any old munter who appears on the scene during the breakup.
Or we might be here again in 5 years time, better to learn from the past and not throw ourselves at just anybody else, surely, but to have some belief in ourselves to deserve more than munters?
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