It seems you are trying too hard Nick, it is a good piece based on a perspective, as is your response to it.I have said he missed things about regarding the butts situation as one example. I literally went through all the details about it a couple of days ago when Tony strangely missed details too.
Where did I say it was still going to happen?
Why are you trying to play dumb again? Is this the new thing?
If fisher bullshits it's all there in details, if the council do its just "public relations" rather then multiple people being bullshitters.
The people bullshitting should all rightly be called out rather than pretending only one side is at it.
Its not worth me pursuing this further. You are not really convincing anyone with your stance. If you have a good reasoned argument to put I am perfectly willing to listen as I am sure most others are too.I have said he missed things about regarding the butts situation as one example. I literally went through all the details about it a couple of days ago when Tony strangely missed details too.
Where did I say it was still going to happen?
Why are you trying to play dumb again? Is this the new thing?
Why do our fans understand wasps stance? I thought football was partisan. Or is that just other clubs. How can we understand their stance? A team that moves miles away? A team with a management structure who says they are a real estate company with a rugby club attached. They are just a shinier version of Sisu, underneath the shine there wankers just like Sisu. Yet we understand their stance. Fuck sake!
I argue without logic after you have asked who else has bullshitted apart from fisher?Who is bullshitting apart from Fisher.
SISU had an agenda. It has failed. They cannot blame anybody else
As I said yesterday evening. Without the goodwill of Wasps we have no home.
I think it is perfectly reasonable for their stance. They warned SISU of the outcome of their ongoing actions last year.
I cannot see your argument.
Sometimes you argue without logic or reason. One of the major reasons I do not post on here very often.
No you are just acting dumb as per usual. I posted things that were said around the time of the butts that seem to have been forgotten.Its not worth me pursuing this further. You are not really convincing anyone with your stance. If you have a good reasoned argument to put I am perfectly willing to listen as I am sure most others are too.
The council have bullshitted, talking about rebuilding trust while selling to wasps. Saying the future of CCFC and crfc would be secure then saying it was only for four years, that’s bullshit too. The council have had an agenda regarding the club long before Sisu arrived. I don’t find the wasps stance completely reasonable. Do we not remember the bleating about them having no home and it justifying moving miles. Yet here they are not talking to the club about keeping them at the ricoh. The legal action is not against them, they are an interested party. It’s just a convenient excuse that people swallow.
Why do our fans understand wasps stance? I thought football was partisan. Or is that just other clubs. How can we understand their stance? A team that moves miles away? A team with a management structure who says they are a real estate company with a rugby club attached. They are just a shinier version of Sisu, underneath the shine there wankers just like Sisu. Yet we understand their stance. Fuck sake!
Ha me trying too hard? I'm not writing 12000 words for the media and missing certain things out.It seems you are trying too hard Nick, it is a good piece based on a perspective, as is your response to it.
There may be errors or omissions but I am with Bawtryneal here, it's faithful to events as we know it and that is as good as we are going to get.
I understand that and you are correct, however, in my opinion it is a good piece, maybe not balanced but well observed.Ha me trying too hard? I'm not writing 12000 words for the media and missing certain things out.
I'm not the one going to the media telling them made up reasons that I don't go to games.
What makes it a good piece? Because it makes people get angry at only one side and think the other sides have done nothing wrongI understand that and you are correct, however, in my opinion it is a good piece, maybe not balanced but well observed.
Firstly I don't disagree that if SISU were to get hold of the Arena and continued to build the club from there it would be good for Coventry. What I can't stomach is the methods they are using to do it, that is to say litigation to undermine and stress the companies that stand in their way rather than negotiation to come to a mutually beneficial solution. On the other hand I'm aware that off the pitch they are doing a decent job and I really like that even if it would be more in line with my expectations if they were actually challenging for play-offs this season instead of being a little bit too inconsistent to hit that mark.
As for the Council strategy I think that's been covered in the JHW article, their hard arsed decision that resulted in CCFC losing the chance to own the Ricoh was in response to repeated statements from SISU that they were moving to another stadium in a few years.
The other hard arsed decision by Wasps to cease negotiation and let the existing arrangement lapse also has roots in SISU's decision to continue litigation, if they took another path it could all be resolved.
Your other main point of contention is about Wasps moving base, well that could have been thwarted if SISU had bought the Arena, but they would have had to found £20m and accepted a lease rather than land ownership.
It has nothing to do with being partisan. I am as partisan about CCFC as anybody. I have been to over 1,500 games and sung my heart out. I shout at referees and linesman and sulk when we lose.
This is about facts and that our owners have dragged us into a complete mess through there own actions.
Reeling out the I’ve supported the club for years and followed them everywhere so I care about my club. Yet we get screwed over by multiple parties and you blame one party. That isn’t partisan.
What makes it a good piece? Because it makes people get angry at only one side and think the other sides have done nothing wrong
Take a step back, take emotion out of it and have a look at things. What's the reasoning behind it? If it's to just keep people informed then why miss particular steps out.
You will also see why the council leader is so confident about public opinion being on his side, we have people re writing history for him.
Again, im in no way saying people shouldn't be pissed off at sisu. Far from it.
When you add things like this and his wing man who uses multiple social media accounts to mislead fans and jump in if somebody says something against the council it gets a bit more obvious.
I wouldn't say they were the only one to blame, bawtry, but number one culprit for sure.There is only one party to blame !!
Maybe the other parties have not acted in the best interests of CCFC. That is not the point
They have acted in their own best interests. That's life !
SISU are the aggressor and despite my love for all things CCFC they deserve what is coming there way.
And again, its selective with the facts isn't it?It's a good peice because it is factual ( not sure why you always put a , so thought I would as well)
The article had its desired effect on him.I wouldn't say they were the only one to blame, bawtry, but number one culprit for sure.
Which is the point I'm making.It's absolutely fine to be annoyed with all of them, even if it is to varying degrees.
There is only one party to blame !!
Maybe the other parties have not acted in the best interests of CCFC. That is not the point
They have acted in their own best interests. That's life !
SISU are the aggressor and despite my love for all things CCFC they deserve what is coming there way.
Now there you have the other side of the daft reasoning.We don’t have partisan fans or love for CCFC. We have a hatred of Sisu and a love for the local council, stadium management company and wasps. It shines through.
Now there you have the other side of the daft reasoning.
Who on here loves the council and Wasps?
There may be misunderstanding of the entire picture and there may be a degree of sympathy for the council and our insect overlords, but love them both?
Has anyone said everything the council have done is correct and every stance of Wasps ?
Balance has to come from all sides.
I'm waiting for swimming to open before enjoying the dayDo people wake up on a Sunday morning gagging for an argument? People need to chill out and enjoy their weekend instead of coming on here for yet another disagreement
What do you expect from a labour council. They can’t lie straight in bedThe council have bullshitted, talking about rebuilding trust while selling to wasps. Saying the future of CCFC and crfc would be secure then saying it was only for four years, that’s bullshit too. The council have had an agenda regarding the club long before Sisu arrived. I don’t find the wasps stance completely reasonable. Do we not remember the bleating about them having no home and it justifying moving miles. Yet here they are not talking to the club about keeping them at the ricoh. The legal action is not against them, they are an interested party. It’s just a convenient excuse that people swallow.
I agree.Do people wake up on a Sunday morning gagging for an argument? People need to chill out and enjoy their weekend instead of coming on here for yet another disagreement
Now there you have the other side of the daft reasoning.
Who on here loves the council and Wasps?
There may be misunderstanding of the entire picture and there may be a degree of sympathy for the council and our insect overlords, but love them both?
Has anyone said everything the council have done is correct and every stance of Wasps ?
Balance has to come from all sides.
It’s not daft. Look how much are fans absolve other parties of blame. You’re on here a lot, you have seen it. To say otherwise is well, daft!
There is hardly anyone I would say.
What doesn't help is with stuff like this thread.
Why can't people see there is a lot of decent and reasoned comment within the article, rather than go straight on the attack?
Surely sensible is 'Yeah, a lot of that is accurate and reasoned, but there's some stuff that's been omitted', rather than just decry the whole piece and dismiss it.
There's lot to commend in that piece. Sure, I would like a bit more balance though.
The biggest problem Nick and Zak have is that they pay no heed to the aims and objectives of parties other than CCFC. Their attitude where there is a conflict is to blame the other party. Generally I've found that where there is conflict with CCFC it is as a consequence of actions from SISU.
I would re-word that and say 'not as much to blame as Sisu'.Really? There are plenty.
Do a simple test, write something like "sisu,ACL,higgs, the council and wasps are all bullshitters and have to take parts of blame for our mess"
See how many say sisu aren't too blame compared to the others.
I'm decrying the reasoning and the agenda behind the article. We all know sisu are twats, why does it need rewriting history to leave parts out that make other parties look like twats?
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