They're not. No-one sensible anyway.If the aim is to save the club and find somebody to play, surely there should be pressure on anybody who can make that happen?
I am really struggling to see why somebody would be against that if the aim was about CCFC and a deal being done.
it is a bit of a nonsense.
All sides need to move somewhat, but Sisu really need to make that first step and stop the legal proceedings.
They have clearly completely pissed off the council and that in turn has influenced Wasps.
Stopping the legal challenge would be the key to unlock all the doors.
If Wasps still refuse and go back on their word following this, then a massive campaign drummed up against Wasps and encouraging of boycotts etc. Also combined with protests against the council too.
Drop the legal battle and let's see if the goodwill is there or it's just all bullshit.
it is a bit of a nonsense.
All sides need to move somewhat, but Sisu really need to make that first step and stop the legal proceedings.
They have clearly completely pissed off the council and that in turn has influenced Wasps.
Stopping the legal challenge would be the key to unlock all the doors.
If Wasps still refuse and go back on their word following this, then a massive campaign drummed up against Wasps and encouraging of boycotts etc. Also combined with protests against the council too.
Drop the legal battle and let's see if the goodwill is there or it's just all bullshit.
To everyone with half a brain cell.If SISU dropped the legal action and Wasps did not negotiate that would certainly be unacceptable to me.
They're not. No-one sensible anyway.
That about sizes it up.
We’re in a situation at the moment where we as fans are expected to expect everyone but the owners to do the best by the club regardless of what the owners do against those parties. Not sure how that’s going to work either short or long term. Sisu has to meet someone halfway for the benefit of the club. Until that happens I’m not sure why fans are getting angry at an article that provides a time line claiming an ulterior motive by the author, aside from the fact that the author has always always been upfront about his motive.
If someone wants to arrange a Wasps protest I’m in. In the meantime I’m not going to get upset by the angle of protest from the only ones willing to organise a protest.
Apparently there is one happening at some point.If someone wants to arrange a Wasps protest I’m in.
My issue with dropping legal action is that's bullying in its own way, and attempting to skew a process that's enshrined in law. I appreciate the process here is more than likely to tie up and delay but... aren't we setting a dangerous precedent if we don't let things go through to their due course? Better to let all dirty laundry be aired, and then to move on.
My question would be more what's changed from last year, when ultimately the bluster stopped, and a one year deal was agreed. I'd have thought the suitable compromise would be the one year deal on a rolling contract. That commits neither side to terms and situations that may be unfavourable to them, means negative PR is avoided for all parties, and it ends up being 'business as usual' for a while... benefitting all parties. CCFC can focus on the football, Wasps have the security that their tenant is there for the foreseeable, and has to give sufficient notice if they're not to be, and CCC have the football club around for the city of culture bid.
In life, it's usually what's in it for us, and a one year rolling deal seems the best fit to suit all parties and leave none of them losing out, particularly.
My issue with dropping legal action is that's bullying in its own way, and attempting to skew a process that's enshrined in law. I appreciate the process here is more than likely to tie up and delay but... aren't we setting a dangerous precedent if we don't let things go through to their due course?
Squatters rights?I'd also like to know SISU's current plan B too. I refuse to believe they don't have one - they've always had one before! But I'd kind of like to know what it is.
I'd also like to know SISU's current plan B too. I refuse to believe they don't have one - they've always had one before! But I'd kind of like to know what it is.
Agreed. Maybe sue the EFL if they prevent us from playing outside of Coventry? MI'd also like to know SISU's current plan B too. I refuse to believe they don't have one - they've always had one before! But I'd kind of like to know what it is.
One of the worst case scenarios could well be that franchsing ends up enshrined as being allowed in the football league... CCFC are no more, but Barnet find themselves parachuted in as the Coventry Bees.Agreed. Maybe sue the EFL if they prevent us from playing outside of Coventry? M
Come on... imagine the EFL dealing with that shit storm! Would he hilarious
Just looks like too ordinary fans using limited knowledge to put 2 and 2 together and coming up with the wrong answer on that twitter account. Cant see anywhere that has David Johnson putting a like on any of the posts. Offering up opinions, even if demonstrably wrong, is not rewriting history.
All pretty clueless. Am losing the will to live with all this nonsense and it is only going to get worse the closer we get to the deadline. Personally i think personal attacks on any side of these arguments are just wrong and greatly weaken any point being made.
Just to be clear. No one can know if SISU have "pocketed" anything as of yet, the figures are just not available. First off though all money has to be paid to or accounted for by OEG/CCFC, and after that OEG/CCFC costs have to be met before even beginning to calculate if there is anything left to repay ARVO (SISU Capital nor SBS&L have anything directly owing to them from OEG/CCFC) You cannot make simplistic calculations as in the above twitter exchange because it ignores things like increased wage costs (new players and after promotion), bonus payments, increased overheads, timing of cash flows, the real amounts paid for players etc.
In the 2017 accounts (the last ones available) income was 6.1m total costs were £7.2m the profit on player sales 0.25m leaving a deficit before interest charges of 0.85m. That is a deficit that has to be paid for simply for the club to keep going. It is a similar picture every year. How do they think CCFC keeps going if SISU keep "pocketing" the money
Fans might not like it but owners are entitled to withdraw money that has been lent to a club. In our case there is no great evidence that this is happening. Over the two years to 2017 SISU have put in close to £1m in extra loans.
On the positive side if it did happen funds were used to repay loans that means a club is slightly more saleable because there is less debt left to repay and less interest is charged
Thank you Oldskyblue58 for giving us an unbiased and honest opinion . :emoji_thumbsup:No. Its an opinion. As is your analysis of what is going on.
We all get told stuff and form an opinion from there. Including you and including me. Doesnt mean we have to have the same opinion.
People are entitled to an opinion even if it is wrong or in your opinion it is wrong
Has David Johnson liked those posts on twitter?
Anyway like i said i have had enough of this nonsense so going back to the real world to do some real work.
An opinion is always biased.Thank you Oldskyblue58 for giving us an unbiased and honest opinion . :emoji_thumbsup:
I cannot believe you lot are still at it !!
Nick, the problem you have as somebody who reads and is active in social media is that you think everything is a conspiracy and believe most of the rubbish that ts written is based on some co-ordinated plan.. Most of it is mindless wind up merchants with a small measure of intelligent conversation. Its why, apart from occasional time on SBT, I never read or look at twitter, Facebook, Instagram or whatever.
You are typical of a whole younger generation who thinks the whole world revolves around the internet.
As I posted yesterday, it needs somebody (Sepalla) in SISU to withdraw their pointless court action and harmony and piece will break out and we will have a home for the next 10 years.
Unfortunately SISUs strategy does not allow them to withdraw the case as they will then have some explaining to do to their investors as to why their initial investment is lost.
Hence we need massive goodwill from Wasps.
Agreed. Maybe sue the EFL if they prevent us from playing outside of Coventry?
I can't believe how naive some people are.I cannot believe you lot are still at it !!
I've read the article now, and I don't see anything that will change people's minds on the current or past situation, or anything to get worked up about, unless someone has an agenda of their own of course.....
Good luck with that.I'd also like to know SISU's current plan B too. I refuse to believe they don't have one - they've always had one before! But I'd kind of like to know what it is.
The point you are missing is that the bloke behind them all works for the council and is on the Sky Blue Trust board. It isn't a 14 year old pissing about or somebody being funny like the Angry Michael Doyle one for a laugh.
It's funny that for about the week before the news about the Higgs and Wasps I was making a point of saying something is going on as there were strange accounts popping up, people saying weird things that didn't up and it was laughed away as paranoia.
Part of my job is to look for strange patterns, things that don't look right etc on the internet (hence I am on it all the time), trends etc. Of course I am never 100% right but I don't persist with things for no reason and I am happy to be proven wrong. All that's happened so far is that the point I have made at the start of this thread about people being scared / strangely against to pressure anybody else (including SISU as well at the same time, to avoid doubt) has been proven.
I guess PWKH was just a WUM with small conversation and no agenda too? It's very naive to think that things like that aren't going on when I have seen 100% first hand they have been. Some of it may come across as paranoid but I am more than happy to show the workings out!
So you are telling me there are no multiple accounts controlled by a particular person?So now you are saying there is a conspiracy with 'fake' accounts being used to push it.
Earlier on you said it was a 'common theme', whatever that is supposed to mean.
Honestly you are sounding like one of the tin foil hat brigade.
So you are telling me there are no multiple accounts controlled by a particular person?
How about you start proving me wrong with things rather than trying to get away from it by adding things in?
I do have proof and know I'm right else I wouldn't say it. Anybody with eyes could also figure it out.I think you'd better have proof to make accusations, personally I have no idea.
Who's crying wolf?I assume there must be some newly created "users" on here then? Anybody taking any notice of them? Anybody taking any notice of anything anybody writes on here? Most people have their set ideas, and push their own "agenda" for whatever reason. With some posts it's stupidity, some with malice, some that are just looking for an argument, and some that are very well thought out, and reasonable (like this one....)
Although, if someone "cries wolf" often enough, one day they might get proven correct...
Internet points are valuable aren't they? :emoji_joy:
Whatever they're pushing, most on here, won't be buying, unless they are already of a similar mind.Who's crying wolf?
I'm not talking about people with an opinion, im talking about people pushing things for a reason.
It has no effect on moving things forward, only backwards really which is my point.Whatever they're pushing, most on here, won't be buying, unless they are already of a similar mind.
The thing is, whatever is being pushed will not have the slightest effect on SISU, Wasps or the Council.
In all the things that's gone on, what, if any, effect has it had in moving things forward?
That's a key point. People have said before that there needs to be some 'myth busting' done as too many people believe things that are incorrect to be fact. Was suggested the trust were well positioned to do it as a prelude to pressuring all sides.Whatever they're pushing, most on here, won't be buying, unless they are already of a similar mind.
I do have proof and know I'm right else I wouldn't say it. Anybody with eyes could also figure it out.
It's strange how much people don't seem to have an idea about isn't it?
Again, try reading threads and you would see how obvious it is.
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