So we'd have a loan and Waghorn, hoping for Godden to stay fit. Just looks like a really bad idea.
I fully agree he's going now or in the summer. But we don't have enough points on the board, or fit bodies left in the squad, to let him go unless it's for some truly ridiculous fee that sees Robins able to do summer's work now.The reality is, MR and co will be planning for Gyokeres’ departure, if we don’t bring in the money we desperately need we’re never going to break into the next tier of championship teams. We’re a mid - lower mid table championship team and unless we start to build a proper squad fit for this league it will continue to be on a wing on a prayer that we do anything.
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Probably a scouserThere was Everton scouts there last night. The one we spoke to was a right miserable old bugger
If the scouting team that we’ve had since the L2 days have been shit, how do you explain us being 14th in the Championship?
For a team on a very limited budget, 12 out of 21 first team signings (i.e. excluding Reid and Tavares) being decent or better seems like a solid return to me, especially considering that three of them were massive successes.This is a hill I am going to die on, but I just don't agree with this argument at all. For a club our size to be in League 2, we rightly should be able to attract and recruit players which are above the level. Look at where we are now, in the Championship. We are struggling to put a team out, and didn't have the quality to beat a non-league team. We have a slim budget - granted, but when that is the case, you have a very small margin for error, and we haven't got it right.
We have three or four players which would be regarded as very successful, and a handful after that who have more than done a job. The rest are pretty shite.
This season:
Palmer - Doing alright, but on massive wages but took a big part of our budget on a three year deal which is madness.
Panzo - Probably not a convenient time to discuss him after yesterday.
Doyle - Not good enough in my view.
Adaramolna - Terrible signing.
2021/2022 season:
Gyokeres - Massive success.
Waghorn - Massive disaster.
Bidwell - Success.
Enobakhare - Complete joke.
Moore - Decent for one season, now sinking faster than the titanic.
Kane - Turning out to be a disaster.
Sheaf - Success.
JCS - Reasonable, but was injured half the time.
Maatsen - Made an overall positive impact.
2020/2021 season:
Hamer - Massive success.
Da Costa - Massive disaster.
O'Hare - Massive success.
Walker - Terrible.
Reid - Not good enough.
Hillsner - Not good enough.
Tavares - Not good enough.
Ostigard - Success.
James - Success.
Giles - Made a reasonable impact.
There is a few patches here with players who we loaned out and came back etc, so I might have missed one or two (that includes Kastaneer), but considering our wage budget, there is far far too much shite in there. We have then been handing out long term deals for players that aren't good enough, or renewing contracts of players (granted slightly different issue) which has been mind-boggling.
It isn't only their fault, but the success rate of the recruitment department needs to be better.
For a team on a very limited budget, 12 out of 21 first team signings (i.e. excluding Reid and Tavares) being decent or better seems like a solid return to me, especially considering that three of them were massive successes.
I have no idea what the answer to this is but how does that compare to other clubs?I'm sorry, but I just don't agree at all. A circa 50% success rate isn't going to cut it with the budget we have.
It will if you unearth enough massive succcesses, and we've done that three times in three years - hence why we've never really looked in serious danger of falling out of this league. The success rate doesn't really matter if you can pull off that specific trick enough times - it's the name of the game in scouting.I'm sorry, but I just don't agree at all. A circa 50% success rate isn't going to cut it with the budget we have.
I have no idea what the answer to this is but how does that compare to other clubs?
If it's the norm for other clubs to be hitting a 75% or higher success rate then there's obviously an issue. In we're in and around the same range as other clubs then not sure we can complain to much.
Remember when the budget is small that also means the budget for a good recruitment team is small.
You cant talk about budgets then criticise the recruitment team having to work with that same budget. They have to take gambles and not all of them come offPart of my point is that it is irrelevant what other clubs do unfortunately, we aren't competitive with even a normal budget in the league, so we have to be more efficient to survive. That means we have to exceed the norm. It is a symptom of course, but I think we can all see at the moment that we are struggling this season. Considering the numbers, we have far far too much deadwood in the squad. That is a large part down to the recruitment team.
You cant talk about budgets then criticise the recruitment team having to work with that same budget. They have to take gambles and not all of them come off
Surely the only measure of effective budget use is progress? Which we've done for 5 years now. We still have one of the lowest budgets in the league....and are a few points off the playoffs.Oh right, so because we have a short budget, the recruitment team can do whatever they want and if they make stupid decisions it isn't their fault?
Surely the only measure of effective budget use is progress? Which we've done for 5 years now. We still have one of the lowest budgets in the league....and are a few points off the playoffs.
most in the league are a few points of the playoffs
the clubs lose league success was build on creating a budget from signing players cheap or academy players and selling at significant profit to fund subsequent purchases
This has been becoming less effective for a while now
They've currently got the most valuable squad in decades - they just haven't sold anyone for a whilemost in the league are a few points of the playoffs
the clubs lose league success was build on creating a budget from signing players cheap or academy players and selling at significant profit to fund subsequent purchases
This has been becoming less effective for a while now
I’m on the same hill as you. And speaking to my friends there on the same hill too.This is a hill I am going to die on, but I just don't agree with this argument at all. For a club our size to be in League 2, we rightly should be able to attract and recruit players which are above the level. Look at where we are now, in the Championship. We are struggling to put a team out, and didn't have the quality to beat a non-league team. We have a slim budget - granted, but when that is the case, you have a very small margin for error, and we haven't got it right.
We have three or four players which would be regarded as very successful, and a handful after that who have more than done a job. The rest are pretty shite.
This season:
Palmer - Doing alright, but on massive wages but took a big part of our budget on a three year deal which is madness.
Panzo - Probably not a convenient time to discuss him after yesterday.
Doyle - Not good enough in my view.
Adaramolna - Terrible signing.
2021/2022 season:
Gyokeres - Massive success.
Waghorn - Massive disaster.
Bidwell - Success.
Enobakhare - Complete joke.
Moore - Decent for one season, now sinking faster than the titanic.
Kane - Turning out to be a disaster.
Sheaf - Success.
JCS - Reasonable, but was injured half the time.
Maatsen - Made an overall positive impact.
2020/2021 season:
Hamer - Massive success.
Da Costa - Massive disaster.
O'Hare - Massive success.
Walker - Terrible.
Reid - Not good enough.
Hillsner - Not good enough.
Tavares - Not good enough.
Ostigard - Success.
James - Success.
Giles - Made a reasonable impact.
There is a few patches here with players who we loaned out and came back etc, so I might have missed one or two (that includes Kastaneer), but considering our wage budget, there is far far too much shite in there. We have then been handing out long term deals for players that aren't good enough, or renewing contracts of players (granted slightly different issue) which has been mind-boggling.
It isn't only their fault, but the success rate of the recruitment department needs to be better.
Simples, we should be second not fucking fourteenth!If the scouting team that we’ve had since the L2 days have been shit, how do you explain us being 14th in the Championship?
That’s a lot of words to basically say we’re just like every other team.This is a hill I am going to die on, but I just don't agree with this argument at all. For a club our size to be in League 2, we rightly should be able to attract and recruit players which are above the level. Look at where we are now, in the Championship. We are struggling to put a team out, and didn't have the quality to beat a non-league team. We have a slim budget - granted, but when that is the case, you have a very small margin for error, and we haven't got it right.
We have three or four players which would be regarded as very successful, and a handful after that who have more than done a job. The rest are pretty shite.
This season:
Palmer - Doing alright, but on massive wages but took a big part of our budget on a three year deal which is madness.
Panzo - Probably not a convenient time to discuss him after yesterday.
Doyle - Not good enough in my view.
Adaramolna - Terrible signing.
2021/2022 season:
Gyokeres - Massive success.
Waghorn - Massive disaster.
Bidwell - Success.
Enobakhare - Complete joke.
Moore - Decent for one season, now sinking faster than the titanic.
Kane - Turning out to be a disaster.
Sheaf - Success.
JCS - Reasonable, but was injured half the time.
Maatsen - Made an overall positive impact.
2020/2021 season:
Hamer - Massive success.
Da Costa - Massive disaster.
O'Hare - Massive success.
Walker - Terrible.
Reid - Not good enough.
Hillsner - Not good enough.
Tavares - Not good enough.
Ostigard - Success.
James - Success.
Giles - Made a reasonable impact.
There is a few patches here with players who we loaned out and came back etc, so I might have missed one or two (that includes Kastaneer), but considering our wage budget, there is far far too much shite in there. We have then been handing out long term deals for players that aren't good enough, or renewing contracts of players (granted slightly different issue) which has been mind-boggling.
It isn't only their fault, but the success rate of the recruitment department needs to be better.
That’s a lot of words to basically say we’re just like every other team.
I'm sorry, but I just don't agree at all. A circa 50% success rate isn't going to cut it with the budget we have.
Of course they make mistakes but thats the nature of the budget and player pool we are playing in. You clearly feel they should get 100% success rate with pennies. Not going to happen.Oh right, so because we have a short budget, the recruitment team can do whatever they want and if they make stupid decisions it isn't their fault?
The lower your budget the more risks you take. In terms of cash outlay it’s significantly higher than 50% as well.
But you fail to give any credit for finding at least 4 players that are now worth millions more than they were purchased for.The risks have to be well calculated though. I think with a fair amount of our deadwood at the moment, it hasn't been the case. It's alright to say the recruitment team are operating on restrictions, but that's also their job. They know they aren't working for Man City.
I'm genuinely not surprised we have a new recruitment team for the reasons the poster above has suggested to be honest.
Of course they make mistakes but thats the nature of the budget and player pool we are playing in. You clearly feel they should get 100% success rate with pennies. Not going to happen.
But you fail to give any credit for finding at least 4 players that are now worth millions more than they were purchased for.
We previously were trying to buy cheap and sell high. Then in 2021-22 we signed Bidwell, Kane and Waghorn, all free transfers on high wages, Kasey Palmer same again last summer who this year alone is costing us £1 million if sources are to be believed.Of course they make mistakes but thats the nature of the budget and player pool we are playing in. You clearly feel they should get 100% success rate with pennies. Not going to happen.
The recruitment team left of their own account, the weren't dismissedThe risks have to be well calculated though. I think with a fair amount of our deadwood at the moment, it hasn't been the case. It's alright to say the recruitment team are operating on restrictions, but that's also their job. They know they aren't working for Man City.
I'm genuinely not surprised we have a new recruitment team for the reasons the poster above has suggested to be honest.
The recruitment team left of their own account, the weren't dismissed
No, Robins basically said as such in one of his interviews. Can't remember which but basically he implied that them leaving came as a surprise.Are you an ITK on this?
No, Robins basically said as such in one of his interviews. Can't remember which but basically he implied that them leaving came as a surprise.
Sheaf, Hamer, Gyo, Walker, O'Hare-4 successes, one failureIt could mean anything though. Someone on here is claiming it is a bit more sinister than that. We don't really know.
It still doesn't detract that we've signed some terrible players.
The recruitment team left of their own account, the weren't dismissed
Correct, it's a promotion to Sporting Director for Badlan. He has also intimated he wasn't happy with a couple of things going on behind the scenes here.
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