Hamer bids (4 Viewers)

[shepardo01]

Deserves his own thread.

Technically a superb player- in my opinion our best since relegation from the Premier League, including better than some of the players that actually played for us in the top division!
Will be a massive loss!

 

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[Grendel]

Better then Maddison?

He’s not better then many players we’ve had - David Thompson as an example

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Wonder if Maatsen will put in a word with Feyenoord?

 

[covmark]

Better then Maddison?

He’s not better then many players we’ve had - David Thompson as an example

Indeed, Mcsheffery you could maybe add to the list. I know Mcgoldrick was league 1, but impact wise, was probably better.

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[Grendel]

Indeed, Mcsheffery you could maybe add to the list. I know Mcgoldrick was league 1, but impact wise, was probably better.

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Clarke Wilson you also look at Callum Davenport who was going to be a great player - hamer isn’t even close to being an international player has a couple of U21 caps

 

[stupot07]

My guess people that say that must be under 30 and can't remember what good players we have had since relegation.

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[covmark]

My guess people that say that must be under 30 and can't remember what got players we have had since relegation.

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Yeah, fair point Stu

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[SlowerThanPlatt]

Clarke Wilson you also look at Callum Davenport who was going to be a great player - hamer isn’t even close to being an international player has a couple of U21 caps

Scott Dann and Westwood were quality too

 

[covmark]

Scott Dann and Westwood were quality too

Fox too.

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[Kilclines curly mullet]

Scott Dann and Westwood were quality too

To this day I’ve never understood the love in for Westwood…he had a very good first season but his last was equally just as bad.

 

[covmark]

To this day I’ve never understood the love in for Westwood…he had a very good first season but his last was equally as bad.

He was a class keeper.

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[Kilclines curly mullet]

He was a class keeper.

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You could argue in that case that he never fulfilled his potential - in respect of playing regularly in the Prem.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Deserves his own thread.

Technically a superb player- in my opinion our best since relegation from the Premier League, including better than some of the players that actually played for us in the top division!
Will be a massive loss!

I agree would be a massive loss. Clearly our best player and the only one who is ready for the Premier league.

 

[Kilclines curly mullet]

Hamer would be our biggest loss of the 3

 

[covmark]

Hamer would be our biggest loss of the 3

Nah, I'd say Gyokeres would be the most difficult to replace.

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[shepardo01]

Better then Maddison?

He’s not better then many players we’ve had - David Thompson as an example

Better player than Maddison was when we had him in League 1. Would, at the stage we had him, would he have been as effective as Hamer in the Championship??

Had Thompson in mind G, very good, but was he technically better than Hamer? There is an argument there I agree.

With higher quality coming in more and more in the top division, it pushes quality further down. Some of our previous Champ sides had lots of very average and some poor players.

 

[Grendel]

Better player than Maddison was when we had him in League 1. Would, at the stage we had him, would he have been as effective as Hamer in the Championship??

Had Thompson in mind G, very good, but was he technically better than Hamer? There is an argument there I agree.

With higher quality coming in more and more in the top division, it pushes quality further down. Some of our previous Champ sides had lots of very average and some poor players.

of course we have had average and poor players but Hamer in the first season post relegation wouldn’t even have got in the team for the first game

Lee carsley was better for a start

 

[shepardo01]

of course we have had average and poor players but Hamer in the first season post relegation wouldn’t even have got in the team for the first game

Trying to think back, without cheating on Google.
Who was in midfield... Carsley, Eustace, Chippo, (had we signed Safri at thar point?) Thompson??
I'd have him above Safri. See previous argument in comparison to Thommo.
Think it is an interesting comparison.

 

[mmttww]

Not a chance he's better than Thompson.

 

[shepardo01]

@Grendel - for discussion - first game vs Stockport !

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Dave Bowman - end thread (even if it was probably the wrong division)

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Not a chance he's better than Thompson.

Got an England call up not long after leaving, didn’t get capped in the end though

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

@Grendel - for discussion - first game vs Stockport ! View attachment 25068

Kirkland! Did he play the first game and then go to Liverpool?

 

[SkyblueDad]

Clarke Wilson you also look at Callum Davenport who was going to be a great player - hamer isn’t even close to being an international player has a couple of U21 caps

Got stabbed in the top of his leg at his home, serious injury and never quiet the same again afterwards

 

[shepardo01]

Kirkland! Did he play the first game and then go to Liverpool?

.... must have... without looking, possibly a couple before leaving! ??
Can easily throw this out without argument- better than Westwood!

 

[mmttww]

I remember the game Davenport played at HR when we all knew he was off. Looked like he was going to be an unbelievable player that night.

 

[Grendel]

@Grendel - for discussion - first game vs Stockport ! View attachment 25068

I would see him in the Carsley role who
Played nearly 200 games for Everton

Hamer isn’t even on the radar of the Dutch national squad

Maatsen is far more likely to feature

 

[shepardo01]

I would see him in the Carsley role who
Played nearly 200 games for Everton

Hamer isn’t even on the radar of the Dutch national squad

Maatsen is far more likely to feature

You are falling into the overall career scenario here G. Yes, I know he played hundreds of times for Everton.

At this stage I was playing football myself so watching City was not possible week in week out, but - geniune question- how good was Carsley for us in the second tier? (Expecting a particular three word answer from you here! )

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Better then Maddison?

He’s not better then many players we’ve had - David Thompson as an example

According to you last season you thought he was rubbish and over rated . As was your judgement Maddison. Going back to Hamer Wasnt you laughing at suggestions hes worth x millions. Particularly when I was drooling over him game after game. Hes a stand out. Glad you have gone very quiet this quiet about him.

Your judgement of players is laughable.

 

[steve101]

His passing is phenomenal but I think would be more effective with better players who are on his wavelength. He does need to be more disciplined positionally and emotionally (impetuous) but this would also probably improve at a higher level. I would be sad to see him go as he seems a nice character and has a great rapport with the fans.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

According to you last season you thought he was rubbish and over rated . As was your judgement Maddison. Going back to Hamer Wasnt you laughing at suggestions hes worth x millions. Particularly when I was drooling over him game after game. Hes a stand out. Glad you have gone very quiet this quiet about him.

Your judgement of players is laughable.

You’ve awoken the spreadsheet…

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Deserves his own thread.

Technically a superb player- in my opinion our best since relegation from the Premier League, including better than some of the players that actually played for us in the top division!
Will be a massive loss!

He would up there for me too as the best we have had since relegation. Technically phenomenal player.
He was a massive reason we bridged the gap between league 1 and championship. And again another vital cog who this year gone up a level with better players around him.

Phenomenal player. the best I have seen and i agree better than some of the donkeys we had in the premier league days.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Search Biamou -> by Londonccfcfan

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I wonder how many calls Boddy had to put in to get them to place a bid.

If the manager gets a decent part of it to spend it’s not a problem if it just gets spent on tubs of paint for the training ground and other stuff then not worth it.

 

[SAJ]

Better player than Maddison was when we had him in League 1. Would, at the stage we had him, would he have been as effective as Hamer in the Championship??

Had Thompson in mind G, very good, but was he technically better than Hamer? There is an argument there I agree.

With higher quality coming in more and more in the top division, it pushes quality further down. Some of our previous Champ sides had lots of very average and some poor players.

Maddison was either 18 or 19 then hardly a fair comparison. Both are 25 and I think at the moment Maddison is the better of the two.