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Yep he's right. It's a franchise. And Moonsine/MGI denying it won''t fool anyone.
I didn't dress it up either way. If you think every professional sports team is a franchise, fine you're probably right.
I think we are looking at things from different perspectives and we are talking about Rugby football and Football. One is far bigger than the other and they operate differently tbf.
I doubt you would see a football club do what WASP have done and moreover since the Wimbledon/MK Dons saga that loop hole has been closed up. So we would not have CCFC playing in any new stadium in say, London.
It's different for WASP. Clearly being based in a large city like Coventry, over time they will of course be trading their very own support from one base to the new base. They will succeed in that I'm sure and be a very successful Rugby club here. Good luck to them I bear no anger towards them.
What I suggest most people are angry about is the way the shenanigans went on behind the scenes and we ended up with CCFC losing any right to ownership of 'their' stadium. That can't be right can it? Yes the current owners, referred commonly as SISU did not help their cause one bit but the council really did put the boot in where it hurt by completing a deal they did not bring to the football clubs table, either to SISU or even other interested parties that could have had influence in the proceedings, ensuring transparency.
Those could have been the likes of Elliot, who had approached the council and ACL previously with Hoffman to try and wrench the club from SISU's hand.
The council acted without due care and a thorough thought process. If they simply hanged their hat on the fact WASP will and have promised the need for CCFC to remain a tenant, then they were not listening to repeated commands that the football club needs to own it's stadium and income streams for sustainability?
JS bemoaned the 'freehold' concept was required but if you are offering a 250 year lease then that is virtually of an equal level for the purposes that CCFC needed. It was therefore crucial this information should have been shared, before any thought of accepting a Rugby club from elsewhere to displace the communities 125 year old football club from their home.
Unless someone knows different to those facts then I will remain angry as hell with the council dim wits that helped bring this about. For those that simply blame SISU for all our ills you are not wrong but on this one they can't be blamed for something they had no knowledge of or given a chance to participate in that process.
Yep he's right. It's a franchise. And Moonsine/MGI denying it won''t fool anyone.
I didn't dress it up either way. If you think every professional sports team is a franchise, fine you're probably right.
It's not doubly wrong for Wasps though.
It's wrong for me, as my username suggests I don't live anywhere near Coventry.
It's right though for Wasps for exactly the reason that it IS permanent, Wasps haven't had a permanent home in the professional era.
I've nothing personal against Wasps fans, or you SFP. You're clearly a decent chap, as I don't doubt are all Wasps fans. However, I do sincerely hope that the franchise fails and Wasps go back south.
I've got two reasons for this - one is that I honestly think that franchising is morally wrong, and the second is that I think it would be far better for CCFC's long term aims if you weren't here. Forgive me.
Duffer, nothing to forgive.
Do I detect a bit of peace and understanding breaking out?
Yes, agreed we are a London club, we argued the point 'til we were blue in the face, we lost, we will now be a Coventry club..
Yes, agreed we are a franchise by your description, just like any other sports club that's no longer owned by it's members. The difference is that we've moved.
Yes, a lot of Wasps supporters feel disenfranchised (nice, can't quite believe that's the first time I've seen the word used in this context)
Yes, if we move back to London I won't be sad, but by that time it might disenfranchise Coventry folk.
There are clearly no guarantees in this life, I used the word Permanent in response to its use in a post and used it to differentiate between renting and owning.
If we differ though it's on CCFC's long term aims. Now I know I've got no right to comment on them especially on this forum, I don't even really know what they are, but I'm guessing that one of them is to own your own ground preferably the Ricoh. If Wasps do fail they won't disappear back down south as a professional outfit they would fall down the leagues and fold or be absorbed back into the amateur club that still exists in London. Our owners would be left with a facility that they would need to maximise their return on, to me that means either selling to the highest bidder or screwing the remaining tenants either option could be worse than you've got.
Fair comment SFP, and I'm all in favour of peace and understanding - the one thing that's clear is that Wasps fans haven't got any blame in all this. Lovely as Coventry is at this time of year, I don't doubt you'd rather not have to come up here too often.
And you're quite correct to point out the risks in Wasps failure, were it to happen. It could well leave CCFC in a worse place, although unless Saracens or suchlike suddenly fancy a pied-a-terre up north you'd have to think the club would be back in pole position to strike a deal. Regardless though, it's still the franchise thing that I can't abide. Even if it did CCFC no favours, I'd still like it to fail. What a bloody horrible thing to say, to a man who clearly loves his club - sorry. But I don't want Wasps to fail anywhere except here, to be clear.
100 miles away from Coventry. After all we wouldn't be homeless anymore.
Absolutely. I was reading some of the posts on Twitter from CJBlaze annoyingly using phrases like "but Wasps needed a home", etc. What a load of shit. If they need a home then let them find one. In London, not a hundred miles away to a city with absolutely no affinity to either the team or their supporters.
Absolutely. I was reading some of the posts on Twitter from CJBlaze annoyingly using phrases like "but Wasps needed a home", etc. What a load of shit. If they need a home then let them find one. In London, not a hundred miles away to a city with absolutely no affinity to either the team or their supporters.
They did find one. One that had been vacated by the tenants. Albeit more than an hour from London, but at least it's there for the next 250 years. Find a deal like that. Don't blame Wasps for taking what is a super deal. Blame the tossers who vacated a stadium in our city and made such a song and dance about doing so, that the only result was going to be that someone moved into the empty facility.
If you want shit, then phone up ML, he was always good for bullshit. I am sure he's bored now and would love someone like you to talk to.
They did find one. One that had been vacated by the tenants. Albeit more than an hour from London, but at least it's there for the next 250 years. Find a deal like that. Don't blame Wasps for taking what is a super deal. Blame the tossers who vacated a stadium in our city and made such a song and dance about doing so, that the only result was going to be that someone moved into the empty facility.
If you want shit, then phone up ML, he was always good for bullshit. I am sure he's bored now and would love someone like you to talk to.
They did find one. One that had been vacated by the tenants. Albeit more than an hour from London, but at least it's there for the next 250 years. Find a deal like that. Don't blame Wasps for taking what is a super deal. Blame the tossers who vacated a stadium in our city and made such a song and dance about doing so, that the only result was going to be that someone moved into the empty facility.
If you want shit, then phone up ML, he was always good for bullshit. I am sure he's bored now and would love someone like you to talk to.
Why are you so pleased for them?
It's almost comical we've City fans
Waxing lyrical about Wasps 'super deal'.
Upton Park?
think not
Pretty sure someone else has already explained to you why upton park wasn't an option on another thread.
I can't recall what it was TBH, however I am sure they did.
Pretty sure someone else has already explained to you why upton park wasn't an option on another thread.
I can't recall what it was TBH, however I am sure they did.
Why are you so pleased for them?
It's almost comical we've City fans
Waxing lyrical about Wasps 'super deal'.
I can only presume the reason was because it was actually in London.....
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Read the whole post. Yes, I think Wasps got a good deal. Great for them. What I am annoyed about is not that Wasps have a good deal, but that our Tossers should have got the deal instead of messing around in court cases, throwing keys on the counter at the Ricoh, taking us on a forced "holiday" to Northampton and then coming back only to affirm that they are leaving again. Is that comical enough for you? You couldn't write a script like that.
And upton park was available.....
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Yeah, great for them.
Your hatred for Sisu has turned into hatred for your own football club.
Yeah, great for them.
Your hatred for Sisu has turned into hatred for your own football club.
Pretty sure someone else has already explained to you why upton park wasn't an option on another thread.
I can't recall what it was TBH, however I am sure they did.
I disagree. He’s only telling it as it is. You are unable to come to terms with the situation and unable face the facts. You’re venting your frustration in the wrong direction.
It's ok though as wasps are laying a new pitch just for ccfc benefit, they said so so everybody believes itNo, You've confused coming to terms with the situation with liking it.
I'm not happy that a London based rugby team bought the stadium that was built for us.
You seem okay with it, because it's one in the eye for SISU.
No, You've confused coming to terms with the situation with liking it.
I'm not happy that a London based rugby team bought the stadium that was built for us.
You seem okay with it, because it's one in the eye for SISU.
It's ok though as wasps are laying a new pitch just for ccfc benefit, they said so so everybody believes it
Ah no wonder you are supporting them, they are winningI believe they will and that it will benefit CCFC ( as well as a Wasps ). Now, let's look at our owners..... Can we believe that Tim is building a new stadium ..... Just for CCFC? I cannot believe that. So at the moment I make it 1:0 to Wasps.
I agree with most of the post Paxman, the council could have offered the same deal to the owners of the club and others for that matter. My only point would be that the details of the original negotiations with Sisu have never been made public because of commercial confidentiality. We don't know how long the lease offer was that was made to Sisu as all they kept talking about as far as Fisher was concerned was the unencumbered freehold, Anne Lucas made this clear in all of her interviews.
Nowhere have I claimed to be particularly ok with it other than keep an open mind and I've certainly not intimated it being one in the eye for SISU. Your bitterness is clouding your thinking.
but no one is happy about it are they? there is a massive difference though between not being pleased that CCFC can now not buy ACL. and considering ourselves at war with the evil wasps, I think we all know this deal has been bad news for our club in the medium/long term, but we were screwed by sisu, not wasps.
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