If you have a brain, judge a manager on the resources given to him; don't pretend that Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho etc are magicians that would get a team of children to win promotion if they were at City.
You can't just gloss over losing that number of players and pretend Andy Thorn should cope.
Let's take Man Utd as an example:
If they announce today that money is tight due to the debt they're in, and that 9 first team players have to leave, including Vidic, Rooney, Ashley Young, Scholes, Phil Jones etc - where would you expect them to finish this season? It's ok, they can bring in some children - er i'm sure that'd work...
Would this make Alex Ferguson a bad Manager? Would it?
You and I have differing opinions on why the strategy didn't work. We've been over that one ad nausea!
I've yet to see any concrete evidence that he did loan money to Cardiff. I'm sure you'd be more than willing to provide me with some...
Yep ferguson never could win anything with a bunch of kids.
He also is the manager who got us relegated to the lowest league position in half a century - kind of throws a spanner into your logic doesn't it?
No!
SISU are the financial backers who got us relegated to the lowest league position in half a century by destroying an already mediocre team.
Thorn was the man stuck in the middle trying to do a job in next to impossible circumstances.
You really don't look very hard, or just keep your eyes shut don't you? http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/02/football-league-cardiff-city-mortgage Strangely, not long after the Football League started investigating him, he resigned. Just another hedge-fund wanker like Sisu.
So I take it the investigation was concluded and he was found guilty then?
Grendel lives in his own world where context doesn't exist.
That table he provided showing Thorn in comparison to a whole host of managers from different leagues was a highlight.
So I take it the investigation was concluded and he was found guilty then?
I expect that it was probably dropped when he "resigned", though don't recall seeing any denials anywhere.
They are the managers in league 1. Or would you prefer to look at the championship or any league you choose.
How about this one?
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...-no-influence-at-cardiff-city-92746-28273635/
Ranson said today: "I am not the of owner Sports Asset Capital and it is not a hedge fund, as has been reported. Neither I nor Sports Asset Capital have ever lent or given money to Cardiff City Football Club and I have absolutely no influence whatsoever over the transfer policy or any other matters at Cardiff City – I have enough on my plate at Coventry City.
"If requested, I am happy to assist with any inquiry by the Football League with regards to this matter."
We've heard nothing about it since then...
Sir William Garrow's famous phrase "innocent until proven guilty" springs to mind.
Why did he resign shortly after then!
:laugh: ...and the hilarity continues.
Are you now claiming that his resignation from CCFC had nothing to do with the situation at the club?
How about this one?
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...-no-influence-at-cardiff-city-92746-28273635/
Ranson said today: "I am not the of owner Sports Asset Capital and it is not a hedge fund, as has been reported. Neither I nor Sports Asset Capital have ever lent or given money to Cardiff City Football Club and I have absolutely no influence whatsoever over the transfer policy or any other matters at Cardiff City – I have enough on my plate at Coventry City.
"If requested, I am happy to assist with any inquiry by the Football League with regards to this matter."
We've heard nothing about it since then...
Sir William Garrow's famous phrase "innocent until proven guilty" springs to mind.
Here is the win ratio of all League One managers;
Paulo Di Caneo 62.1
Graham Westley 50.2
Karl Robinson 48.2
Graham Turner 41.4
Gary Johnson 41.4
Gary Smith 39.7
Richard Barker 37.9
John Ward 37.6
Dean Saunders 36.9
Greg Abbott 36.3
Kieth Curle 35.8
Russell Slade 35.6
Andy Knill 34.8
Paul Dickov 30.4
Danny Wilson 30.4
Dean Smith 24.4
Michael Appleton23.5
Andy Thorn 20.8
Cant find stats for Rosler (but 67 points in a season) or Neale Cooper (got Hartlepool to play offs) and 2 clubs no manager.
So Thorn is bottom.
Told you so.
Best policy, but you can't not point out the errors in posts like the "Managers League Table". As someone, possibly you, said, if you do a table on Championship record, Saunders is below AT anyway!
Hats off to Thorn for losing to Nuneaton!
Newcastle lost pretty much all their friendlies the season they won the Championship.
Next.
Did we win all ours last season then?
Wow I succumb to your powers of intellectual argument.
This is why I don't bother on here much now.
You lot are proper fickle.
After the the two 'massive' wins everyone was saying what a team etc..... Now we've lost and not scoring everyone saying friendlies don't matter.
So when we're winning we're world beaters. When we lose it's alright it's only friendlies.
You make some useful points at times & provide useful facts at other...& other times you come across as an annoying, negative, snide, supercilious, arrogant know-allO
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