Higgs vs CCFC Court Row (27 Viewers)

Rob S · Apr 2, 2014

Big bomb (not literally!) just dropped.

Paul Harris just said that Chris West had told him that Sisu had been notified of change in direction re: bank loan, ie just bipartate approach to bank. In fact Sisu never informed.

PH wanted confirmation due to ethics.

He says he had to take CW as an ACL director on his word.

Wow.

wingy · Apr 2, 2014

wingy said:
He's saying there were no implied terms in the Contract that had the clause ,that should talks break down SISU were liable to £29k.contribution to Higgs costs incurred ,and once the six week period of HOT was over no right to expect exclusivity.

Which begs the question ,what relevence can there be to the counter SISU are now involved In,as i would say there Is no counter and they will be made to pay .

Sub · Apr 2, 2014

Rob S said:
Big bomb (not literally!) just dropped.

Paul Harris just said that Chris West had told him that Sisu had been notified of change in direction re: bank loan, ie just bipartate approach to bank. In fact Sisu never informed.

PH wanted confirmation due to ethics.

He says he had to take CW as an ACL director on his word.

Wow.

So SISU knew what was going on ?? or he says the council told them ? is that right ?

tisza · Apr 2, 2014

right - yesterday the Higgs barrister said Higgs valued their shares at 7.5 million (see Simon Gilbert twitter) - why was 5.5 million a good deal for Higgs?

fernandopartridge · Apr 2, 2014

Rob S said:
Big bomb (not literally!) just dropped.

Paul Harris just said that Chris West had told him that Sisu had been notified of change in direction re: bank loan, ie just bipartate approach to bank. In fact Sisu never informed.

PH wanted confirmation due to ethics.

He says he had to take CW as an ACL director on his word.

Wow.

Not massive for this case but massive in the wider context.

Sub · Apr 2, 2014

Simon Gilbert‏@TheSimonGilbert38 secsExpect that claim about assurances from Chris West (re Ricoh bank loan / informing Sisu) to crop up during the Ricoh Arena judicial review.

Grendel · Apr 2, 2014

Rob S said:
Big bomb (not literally!) just dropped.

Paul Harris just said that Chris West had told him that Sisu had been notified of change in direction re: bank loan, ie just bipartate approach to bank. In fact Sisu never informed.

PH wanted confirmation due to ethics.

He says he had to take CW as an ACL director on his word.

Wow.

Oh something interesting. Now that is interesting.

Godiva · Apr 2, 2014

Nick said:
It sounds as if Higgs might be dropping the council in it?

Yes - right from the beginning yesterday.
It's been like a pattern forming - Higgs are pointing at CCC.
They certainly have done nothing to make sisu's next fixture in court difficult.

Nick · Apr 2, 2014

Is Chris west the one who left and was also in council?

torchomatic · Apr 2, 2014

I thought he was saying the opposite. CW had said SISU knew but they didn't.

Sub said:
So SISU knew what was going on ?? or he says the council told them ? is that right ?

Jack Griffin · Apr 2, 2014

Nick said:
Is Chris west the one who left and was also in council?

No, he is listed on CCC website as "Director of Resources", which isn't HR but an exec post covering Finance & Legal parts of Council.

And he is listed on ACL website as a director of ACL

lewys33 · Apr 2, 2014

I can see the pitchforks and the torches being lit already .......

Still cant see how that will change the outcome of the JR

Sub · Apr 2, 2014

torchomatic said:
I thought he was saying the opposite. CW had said SISU knew but they didn't.

hell i dont know torch lol i am totally lost now mate

chiefdave · Apr 2, 2014

Sub said:
So SISU knew what was going on ?? or he says the council told them ? is that right ?

Is this going to come down to one persons word against anothers?

torchomatic · Apr 2, 2014

I don't care any longer who is right or wrong or who thinks they are right or wrong. I just want it sorted so I can take my usual Block 28 seat in August. Not too much to ask, is it?

lewys33 said:
I can see the pitchforks and the torches being lit already .......

Still cant see how that will change the outcome of the JR

Nick · Apr 2, 2014

Won't sisu be happy to pay 29k for the higgs to stitch up ccc?

fernandopartridge · Apr 2, 2014

What we've read so far seems to demonstrate the trust between SISU and CCC is non existent and that Higgs are the piggy in the middle!

torchomatic · Apr 2, 2014

Is this going to turn from a Higgs vs SISU to Higgs vs CCC vs SISU?

chiefdave said:
Is this going to come down to one persons word against anothers?

James Smith · Apr 2, 2014

torchomatic said:
I thought he was saying the opposite. CW had said SISU knew but they didn't.

It's not going to be another case of "I can't hear you I'm wearing my other company hat today" is it?

tisza · Apr 2, 2014

Labovich in that sky interview said that it was paid council employees working for ACL that were misleading the council and blocking progress.

Grendel · Apr 2, 2014

James Smith said:
It's not going to be another case of "I can't hear you I'm wearing my other company hat today" is it?

No it just seems Mr West told Higgs SISU knew and I think the con census is they didn't.

It is a shame PWKH couldnt have been asked on the CVA and if he wanted it signed and who in ACL didn't.

Danceswithhorses · Apr 2, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
What we've read so far seems to demonstrate the trust between SISU and CCC is non existent and that Higgs are the piggy in the middle!

Fair point.
Does it also make SISU's claim that ACL and AEHC were in cahoots against them look incorrect ?

Rob S · Apr 2, 2014

Paul Harris now with Higgs barrister.

I'm thinking the council legal person in attendance here is going to be busy. She's writing very furiously!

Rob S · Apr 2, 2014

Onto judge asking questions now. Home stretch.

GaryPendrysEyes · Apr 2, 2014

Was there any legal requirement to inform Sisu or was it just suggested as 'ethical' or like? -- seeing they were withholding rent and general bastards maybe they thought nah.

Godiva · Apr 2, 2014

Rob S said:
Paul Harris now with Higgs barrister.

I'm thinking the council legal person in attendance here is going to be busy. She's writing very furiously!

Like a manager from the next opposition on a scouting mission.

GaryPendrysEyes · Apr 2, 2014

Grendel said:
No it just seems Mr West told Higgs SISU knew and I think the con census is they didn't.

It is a shame PWKH couldnt have been asked on the CVA and if he wanted it signed and who in ACL didn't.

I thought you thought this thread was irrelevant rubbish?-- a sniff of something potentially good for Sisu and you suddenly seem keen as mustard.....

Grendel · Apr 2, 2014

GaryPendrysEyes said:
Was there any legal requirement to inform Sisu or was it just suggested as 'ethical' or like? -- seeing they were withholding rent and general bastards maybe they thought nah.

Its OK for Higgs to be deceived and lied to by the council is it?

chiefdave · Apr 2, 2014

Does a split between Higgs and CCC actually benefit SISU? Weren't they making out that everyone else was working together behind SISUs back to try and stich them up, if it turns out they don't get on then it would impact on that arguement.

As for SISU being kept informed what was happening then we need to know how that was supposedly done. If it was verbal it will come down to who the judge believes, if the CCC chap was supposed to have done a more formal notification then there will be some evidence to backup his claim.

oldskyblue58 · Apr 2, 2014

I don't think it is a question of AEHC pointing fingers at CCC or its officers, more that PWKH and PH are not prepared to lie to cover up actions or inactions ...... ie they will answer truthfully.......... what was done or not done can not be altered

James Smith · Apr 2, 2014

GaryPendrysEyes said:
Was there any legal requirement to inform Sisu or was it just suggested as 'ethical' or like? -- seeing they were withholding rent and general bastards maybe they thought nah.

Possibly not, more likely not if this exclusivity period had ended - sounds like the Higgs were just being polite towards Sisu.

chiefdave · Apr 2, 2014

Grendel said:
Its OK for Higgs to be deceived and lied to by the council is it?

Morally I would say not but that's not what we're into now, we're into what is legally required.

AJB1983 · Apr 2, 2014

Gives them more credence as witnesses, especially with jr coming up.

Manchester_sky_blue · Apr 2, 2014

I suspect as SISU had broken the terms of their tenancy by withholding rent that there was no legal compunction for CCC to inform them of the change of direction, however, how much of this mess could have been avoided if they had?

duffer · Apr 2, 2014

chiefdave said:
Does a split between Higgs and CCC actually benefit SISU? Weren't they making out that everyone else was working together behind SISUs back to try and stich them up, if it turns out they don't get on then it would impact on that arguement.

As for SISU being kept informed what was happening then we need to know how that was supposedly done. If it was verbal it will come down to who the judge believes, if the CCC chap was supposed to have done a more formal notification then there will be some evidence to backup his claim.

Chief - you're good at this. Get your boots on mate... "Ref, sub!".

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