Higgs vs CCFC Court Row (50 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Does a split between Higgs and CCC actually benefit SISU? Weren't they making out that everyone else was working together behind SISUs back to try and stich them up, if it turns out they don't get on then it would impact on that arguement.

As for SISU being kept informed what was happening then we need to know how that was supposedly done. If it was verbal it will come down to who the judge believes, if the CCC chap was supposed to have done a more formal notification then there will be some evidence to backup his claim.

What if Higgs only agreed to the transfer if the YB deal on the understanding that sisu were aware of the transfer? What then? Harris is under oath no backup needed.

 

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[chiefdave]

I don't think it is a question of AEHC pointing fingers at CCC or its officers, more that PWKH and PH are not prepared to lie to cover up actions or inactions ...... ie they will answer truthfully.......... what was done or not done can not be altered

We don't actually know if SISU were told or not yet do we? SISU have said they weren't, Higgs have said as far as they know they were. Or have I missed something?

 

[sky blue john]

Possibly not, more likely not if this exclusivity period had ended - sounds like the Higgs were just being polite towards Sisu.

Thats how i see it hardly going to bring the council crashing down..

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

Its OK for Higgs to be deceived and lied to by the council is it?

If it was deliberate deception its not very professional, guess the council bloke might respond. But its hardly war and peace is it? for this or the JR is it illegal not to inform Sisu or just a courtesy??

 

[chiefdave]

What if Higgs only agreed to the transfer if the YB deal on the understanding that sisu were aware of the transfer? What then? Harris is under oath no backup needed.

But again that could be a moral rather than legal arguement. Unless there is a legal requirement to tell SISU what was happened it can't really be that much of an issue.

EDIT: and what if someone had told Labovich but he couldn't hear as he wasn't working for the right company that day

 

[Grendel]

But again that could be a moral rather than legal arguement. Unless there is a legal requirement to tell SISU what was happened it can't really be that much of an issue.

It can in Higgs wouldn't agree to it unless the condition was that sisu were aware. Of course that would be a huge issue.

 

[James Smith]

We don't actually know if SISU were told or not yet do we? SISU have said they weren't, Higgs have said as far as they know they were. Or have I missed something?

This West bloke hasn't had a chance to say whether he did or didn't tell Sisu, or was even required to (might not have been).

 

[oldskyblue58]

We don't actually know if SISU were told or not yet do we? SISU have said they weren't, Higgs have said as far as they know they were. Or have I missed something?

True but that wasn't the point I was making ...... the way it has come across to me is that PWKH and PH have been truthful in their answers no matter the difficulty of the question or the results of the answer

 

[Rob S]

Is this going to come down to one persons word against anothers?

West told Harris that Sisu had been informed. They hadn't.

 

[Grendel]

This West bloke hasn't had a chance to say whether he did or didn't tell Sisu, or was even required to (might not have been).

It doesn't matter if he was required to - he advised other Board members he did - why unless it was to deliberately deceive the other Board members? Harris is hardly going to lie is he?

 

[fernandopartridge]

If it was deliberate deception its not very professional, guess the council bloke might respond. But its hardly war and peace is it? for this or the JR is it illegal not to inform Sisu or just a courtesy??

How could a Coventry Local Authority lie to a Coventry Charity with whom it is in a formal legal relationship? How?

 

[oldskyblue58]

Did the Higgs barrister raise any points of interests or rebut any points when questioning PWKH or PH. Did the Judge make any comments or seek clarification from either?

 

[James Smith]

But again that could be a moral rather than legal arguement. Unless there is a legal requirement to tell SISU what was happened it can't really be that much of an issue.

EDIT: and what if someone had told Labovich but he couldn't hear as he wasn't working for the right company that day

I beat you to that one see post #964

 

[torchomatic]

I thought Harris said West said SISU had been informed when in fact West hadn't informed them.

We don't actually know if SISU were told or not yet do we? SISU have said they weren't, Higgs have said as far as they know they were. Or have I missed something?

 

[chiefdave]

It can in Higgs wouldn't agree to it unless the condition was that sisu were aware. Of course that would be a huge issue.

But that would be an issue between Higgs and CCC.

 

[torchomatic]

Er....splutter, splutter....etc

How could a Coventry Local Authority lie to a Coventry Charity with whom it is in a formal legal relationship? How?

 

[Grendel]

But that would be an issue between Higgs and CCC.

Yes but the point is why do it? Did it influence Higgs decision - would they have not agreed to transfer the loan to the Council without West confirming this?

I also assume you are outraged at a councillor lying to a charity? Yes?

 

[James Smith]

It doesn't matter if he was required to - he advised other Board members he did - why unless it was to deliberately deceive the other Board members? Harris is hardly going to lie is he?

Not sure it follows that they had to inform Sisu though, which is what the issue is as I see it. And you've changed your tune since yesterday when this case wasn't worth our effort discussing.

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

Grendel seems absolutely enthralled by this case and thread LMFAO

 

[Rob S]

Quick break and now Roly Higgs as witness.

Saw Paul Harris during the break and he looked relieved to have finished.

He came across as very straightforward, credible, honest and ethical. Good bloke and solid City fan.

It'll be interesting to see how his testimony affects the other half of ACL.

 

[covcity4life]

so whats the latest chaps? council have been proven to be liars?

 

[James Smith]

I thought Harris said West said SISU had been informed when in fact West hadn't informed them.

The man hasn't had a chance to defend himself so we don't know what he did, said he did.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Wonder why.:thinking about:

Grendel seems absolutely enthralled by this case and thread LMFAO

 

[torchomatic]

Agreed. However, for Harris to mention it in court then he must be pretty sure that's the way it happened.

The man hasn't had a chance to defend himself so we don't know what he did, said he did.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

so whats the latest chaps? council have been proven to be liars?

So far the only thing that has been determined beyond doubt is that SISU's counter claim has been thrown out by the judge.

 

[Rob S]

Did the Higgs barrister raise any points of interests or rebut any points when questioning PWKH or PH. Did the Judge make any comments or seek clarification from either?

I'll check back later on notes. Or we might have to wait for the transcript. Everyone at the back of the court tapping, scribbling and shaking sore hands with a lot of info coming think and fast with references to docs we can't see yet.
Glad this isn't my day job!

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

I thought Harris said West said SISU had been informed when in fact West hadn't informed them.

He might have asked Michael Byng to send them an email to let them know....

 

[ccfcway]

maybe he was misquoted

 

[torchomatic]

Or the letter got lost in the post maybe.

He might have asked Michael Byng to send them an email to let them know....

 

[Warwickhunt]

I know Paul Harris he used to be my boss and he is straight as a die

 

[torchomatic]

We'll find out in due course, I guess.

maybe he was misquoted

 

[covcity4life]

So far the only thing that has been determined beyond doubt is that SISU's counter claim has been thrown out by the judge.

good. lets get to the core of it all.

 

[chiefdave]

I also assume you are outraged at a councillor lying to a charity? Yes?

I wouldn't be too happy if that has happened for sure but I think the guy this is being aimed at should get a chance to defend himself before we all hang him out to dry!

Lets be honest, someone involved in politics telling a porky wouldn't be the revelation of the century!

Does anyone genuinely care less about this case? Its all totally pointless and irrelevant.

Not sure why you're getting so worked up as its all totally pointless and irrelevant

 

[Rob S]

Agreed. However, for Harris to mention it in court then he must be pretty sure that's the way it happened.

I'd expect Simon Gilbert to get on the phone to Chris West when we're done and we'll see the report. His (along with mine and a fair few others) eyes were as wide as saucers when it went down.

 

[Rob S]

Marilyn K-H on the stand now.