How is Aled Williams employed? (2 Viewers)

shmmeee said:

Well then you'd have to explain why it went to shit just as Lawrence left. I mean ultimately everything is down to the manager, or ultimately the owner, but it doesn't get us very far.

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Was Lawrence responsible for our defensive organisation? Was Aled Williams the direct replacement for Dennis Lawrence? If we can get answers for those basic questions then we can start to talk, otherwise it's just fan fiction.

Nick said:

Well yeah, there's also the new coaches.

I'm pretty sure it isn't Aled Williams working with the defenders before games on the shape etc for example.

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Yeah, why not get angry at Joe Edwards and Chris Jones instead? Did Lampard bring them in just so they could delegate all defensive responsibilities to the old GK coach?

SBT said:

Yeah, why not get angry at Joe Edwards and Chris Jones instead? Did Lampard bring them in just so they could delegate all defensive responsibilities to the old GK coach?

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It would be a very weird take if Lampard came in and said "no lads, none of you do anything defensive as that's the goalkeeping coach's job"

Let's face it, none of us know what people really do at Ryton and how in depth things are. It's the same as "Rhys Carr was stood with his hands in his pockets".

It's just people trying to lash out for people to blame for the bad form and eventually Robins being sacked.

SBT said:

Yeah, why not get angry at Joe Edwards and Chris Jones instead? Did Lampard bring them in just so they could delegate all defensive responsibilities to the old GK coach?

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There's plenty of anger to go around.

fernandopartridge said:

How do you know he's a decent defensive coach?

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Must be not bad to get a job within the England coaching set up


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Hobo said:

Doesn't say much for Viveash then, he was a centre half.

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SBT said:

I just want to deal in facts - which coach is responsible for which facet of play? Is Williams solely in charge of all our defensive work? Or does he just work with the defenders? Does he tell Lampard how our team should defend? How is his coaching style different from Dennis Lawrence’s? What part of his coaching regimen is failing?

I’d be genuinely interested to learn the answers to these questions (I assume you can enlighten me). Otherwise it’s just angry fans shouting at a black box.

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As I see it, and this isn’t borne from outright fact just observation, I think Lawrence was a defensive coach less in term of ‘coach of defenders’ and more an ‘out of possession’ coach. The difference in terms of pressing patterns when he came in was very noticeable. Likewise, I get the impression that Viveash was the ‘in possession’ coach.

Since Lawrence moved on, I would also say it’s noticeable how our pressing patterns have largely disappeared. Clearly I don’t know the remit of the new coaches to understand what they are trying to implement, but safe to say it’s not got through yet. As I’ve said in another thread, I think we want to play a high pressing game eventually but the fitness to carry it out is miles off, so we’re making do for the time being.

Didn't John Dempster get the gig initially, obviously not now.

wingy said:

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You would expect him to know about defensive coaching, but people are saying we fell apart after Lawrence left? It isn't actually true. We fell apart after the drama of an FA Cup Semi Final (and it was Drama!). Most teams lose form after an FA Cup final defeat.

The loss of Lawrence wasn't our only knowledge of defending. Viveash had plenty of knowledge. Too many fans have easy solutions based on the one dimension of their opinion