Nick
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In which case what is the point in prosecuting anybody who is going through guilt? What happens if somebody was drink driving and they killed their kids?
Child neglect has to be interpreted in law. A case has to be argued. It is not an easy case to prove.
You havent addressed my question
What would be the point?
Child neglect has to be interpreted in law. A case has to be argued. It is not an easy case to prove.
You havent addressed my question
What would be the point?
You shouldn't get away with your actions because of the consequences.
Exactly. If I got into a drunken fight and the guy hit his head and died, I'd be absolutely mortified and would have to live with it every day because of a mistake after a few beers.
Would that mean I shouldn't be punished?
Not an easy case to prove?
What couldn't be proven? They either left their kids alone or they didn't. If they did it was neglect. If they didn't then they lied about their childs disappearance.
Try answering Nick. It was what I had in mind. You shouldn't get away with your actions because of the consequences.
There's no comparison since that is clearly a crime committed, manslaughter.Exactly. If I got into a drunken fight and the guy hit his head and died, I'd be absolutely mortified and would have to live with it every day because of a mistake after a few beers.
Would that mean I shouldn't be punished?
But it's a crime to leave your kid alone if they are in danger.There's no comparison since that is clearly a crime committed, manslaughter.
I ask again. What would be gained from a prosecution? Do you not think they have suffered? Why would you want them to suffer some more? Revenge? Spite? It certainly won't prevent further cases like this. No parent will think,
ok I won't do this or I might go to jail. The thought that what happened to this little girl could happen would be deterrent enough for any sane person.
But it's a crime to leave your kid alone if they are in danger.
A court would not look just at the outcome but whether the action was reasonable before not after the event. There would be a huge argument between 2 sets of lawyers about the reasonableness of the action. That's if it made it to court.But it's a crime to leave your kid alone if they are in danger.
A court would not look just at the outcome but whether the action was reasonable before not after the event. There would be a huge argument between 2 sets of lawyers about the reasonableness of the action. That's if it made it to court.
Do you recall the dingo took the baby case? No good came of prosecuting that parent.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/12/dingo-baby-azaria-lindy-chamberlain
They were in the garden, as it happens. The restaurant was 50 yards from their room in the garden of the exclusive holiday village.
Let's just leave it. We are not going to agree.
They were in the garden, as it happens. The restaurant was 50 yards from their room in the garden of the exclusive holiday village.
Let's just leave it. We are not going to agree.
We will just have to agree to differ.
This is my last word ... A foolish and stupid mistake was made by possibly foolish and neglectful people. Nothing can be gained from prosecuting them. Their punishment is a lifetime of bitter anguish. You would like that to be spent in a cell. I beg to differ.
the driver does get in trouble if the kids aren't wearing seatbelts don't they?It would depend on the circumstances. How many children are injured or die when not wearing a seatbelt? Should parents be prosecuted for that?
It's what police, crown prosecution service and courts are there for to judge the circumstances.
My instinct is to be merciful and I think prison is for those who have done grave crimes or are a danger to others.
I don't want to comment further as I have not made personal remarks against others but I am saddened that others have made personal remarks towards me and alleged poor parenting. So I would prefer not to comment again.
the driver does get in trouble if the kids aren't wearing seatbelts don't they?
As a sidenote, does my head in to see kids stood up in the car while moving.
The Mercedes SL, a two seater sports car with little luggage ledges behind the front seats.
I once saw two young children stood on said ledges while the two adults sat in the front, on a 70 MPH dual carriageway.
To answer the bold bit, I believe the law is all passengers under 18, the driver is responsible for. Over 18, it's the passenger themselves.
nope under 14 drivers responsibility over 14 passengers responsibility
I don't want to comment further as I have not made personal remarks against others but I am saddened that others have made personal remarks towards me and alleged poor parenting. So I would prefer not to comment again.
You have constantly said that leaving your small children that are nowhere near big enough to look after themselves alone so you can go out drinking is only an error or a mistake. You have tried to belittle me and twist my words for having a different opinion. You have said several times that child neglect isn't against the law. You are trying to make the point that if you lose a child you shouldn't get prosecuted because you have suffered enough. You have said that it is as bad leaving your children in bed whilst you are in your garden as leaving them in a room unattended so you can go drinking with friends. And you don't understand why most of us don't agree with you.
We all agree it is child neglect. They did not break a law in that or this country, as far as I know. I don't think they would have been prosecuted in the UK as the circumstances did not break any law
Don't think so. If you want to find where I did?So you didn't say that child neglect isn't against the law?
Don't think so. If you want to find where I did?
Isn't this all about whether Katie Hopkins should have said what she said?
Anything that is trying to be implemented to hell keep children safe she be welcomed.
Edited.tbf, the whole McCann debate is because of that, so it is on track... unfortunately!
Eh?!?
But isn't this putting the whole thing off track and making everyone focus on something else? Isn't this derailing this new campaign?tbf, the whole McCann debate is because of that, so it is on track... unfortunately!
Eh?!?
As I said agree to disagree. I have not backtracked at all, merely clarified for people who were not clear about my very consistent viewpoint. No law was broken or they would have faced charges. Others have resorted to personal slurs.
It is simply not true to say that everyone who breaks the law should get prosecuted. It doesn't and could never happen. I note that you made no reference to the dingo baby case when public opinion demanded a witch hunt to punish the bad parent. It took many years to clear her name.
As it happens everyone I know, whose opinion I respect, agrees that compassion is better than condemnation.
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