Brighton Sky Blue
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In my mind it is worth waiting that time so we put all of our energy into saving the current entity and not spending time, energy and money on another club. Only then can we say we did all we could.
Brighton, the problem is, if we wait until the present club ceases to exist, we may lose years in which a Phoenix club could have been growing and progressing up the leagues.
Bit of a conundrum I know, but imho it is better to start right now than to wait years and find out we might have been waiting for nothing.
In my mind it is worth waiting that time so we put all of our energy into saving the current entity and not spending time, energy and money on another club. Only then can we say we did all we could.
I wish I could see any way at all in which we, the fans, could influence that, but I think SISU have quite convincingly shown us that they do not give a sod about the fans and have zero interest in what the fans say, so I do not believe any amount of energy expended by the fan base will alter what SISU do by one iota.
Ergo - time to start the Phoenix club now and not wait on the whims of SISU.
I wish I could see any way at all in which we, the fans, could influence that, but I think SISU have quite convincingly shown us that they do not give a sod about the fans and have zero interest in what the fans say, so I do not believe any amount of energy expended by the fan base will alter what SISU do by one iota.
Ergo - time to start the Phoenix club now and not wait on the whims of SISU.
I wish I could see any way at all in which we, the fans, could influence that, but I think SISU have quite convincingly shown us that they do not give a sod about the fans and have zero interest in what the fans say, so I do not believe any amount of energy expended by the fan base will alter what SISU do by one iota.
Ergo - time to start the Phoenix club now and not wait on the whims of SISU.
Many clubs have had poor owners - wolves, Birmingham, Southampton the list is endless. To cut and run and surrender 130 years of heritage is cowardly and illogical.
Yes I can see why someone who never attends matches would applaud such a ridiculous action as it gives them greater affinity. Fact is only a tiny percentage would ever support such nonsense. This idea needs to be strangled at birth.
Any phoenix club couldn't start playing league football until August 2014, so there is plenty of time to see how things pan out over the next few months, and then if the idea of a phoenix club seems appropriate, there is still time to set it up properly in time for next year.
We need to see how it pans out at Northampton (most people accept the FL won't stand in SISU's way), and also if they are serious about building a new stadium (I doubt it)
He means non-league football rather than league football I think.
Any Phoenix club couldn't play any league football until around 2020.
Have any of those clubs listed had their football team taken 33 miles away?
Accept the need for urgency by some GT however I have concerns (sorry for being a broken record!) on the practicalities of some of the ideas you put forward.
1. How realistic is it to expect ACL to let us use the venue free of charge and to take all the proceeds from games? It makes little sense on their part and a better venue at least initially would be the Butts. Two Coventry clubs working side by side for a mutual benefit.
2. As long as the club exists it has commercial hold on the name and badge. More to the point whilst it may not be intended as a direct competitor to the current club it will inevitably cause some polarisation of the existing fan base as fans find it hard to support another team alongside CCFC.
3. The biggest issue I've got is the time, energy and money it will take to get this club off the ground and keep it running on a daily basis. People have said if it succeeds and forces SISU out then the Phoenix would just be disbanded. If people have invested lots of the three things I've mentioned, and the club has actually done well, what then?
Sorry if I'm being overly critical-everyone is talking with a lot of passion for the club. Starting a new club and keeping it going is not something we should just launch into though and it needs to be properly scrutinised so it doesn't end in frustration.
Many clubs have had poor owners - wolves, Birmingham, Southampton the list is endless. To cut and run and surrender 130 years of heritage is cowardly and illogical.
Yes I can see why someone who never attends matches would applaud such a ridiculous action as it gives them greater affinity. Fact is only a tiny percentage would ever support such nonsense. This idea needs to be strangled at birth.
starting a protest club to try and remedy the situation to me just seems destined to fail.
The OP is about a Phoenix club, NOT a protest club!
This is also how I feel, I don't see how anyone can deal with sisu in any capacity, not even a prospective purchaser.
I disagree, if someone came along and offered the amount SISU out in, the offer would be take, easily, but when you've invested so much capital, yet the only bid so far has been from Hoffman's consortium, for £1, after putting in, they say 40-odd million, they would tell them to feck off, I know I would if placed in a similar situation. No one would walk away from 40m, to satisfy people who reckon it's less, same applies, I don't think you, or anyone would walk away from such somes of cash.
The only way I think SISU will leave is through admin - again! - but they are stubborn buggers!
Yes £1 for the business was offered as a nominal sum but an oft quoted figure of £10m was also offered to pay off SISU in part.
He already knows that. Also there was a share of future profits.
Ignoring for the moment that you haunt these pages waiting for me to post so that you can continue your silly vendetta and attempt your pathetic put-downs (don't you have a real life?):
Why does the thought of a Phoenix club make you feel so threatened? What is going on in your deranged mind that you attack everyone and anyone who suggests this? Nobody is asking YOU to support a Phoenix club; YOU will be in Northampton following the club that YOU personally believe to still be Coventry City Football Club, even though it will no longer be in Coventry.
No-one on here is trying to take that away from you and you can happily sit in your seat in Northampton at 3pm on Saturdays. So why do YOU try to take away what other people want? Why can't you just get on with your own team in Northampton and leave those of us that prefer football in our home town of Coventry to get on with it?
What is WRONG with you that this upsets you so?
GRENDUFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When are you going to answer me?
You seem to have a huge amount of optimism that Haskell will want to take on a brand new club extremely low down the footballing pyramid-where does this come from? If, as you say, 'old' Cov comes back to the city and SISU leave, do you think he will be happy to just write off all that he has invested in 'new' Cov? I accept your points on a lack of clear alternatives at this stage to fill our place at the Ricoh however if ACL manage to find a way that the phoenix can't manage, they will surely go for the former. I stand by my suggestion that sharing the rugby ground makes more sense whilst any new club is still finding its feet.
I also don't see why PH4 will want to just gift money to the new club and I'm especially unsure if he'd actually be allowed to do so if there are financial regulations that far down the ladder. If old Cov are still about and your strategy succeeds in forcing SISU out, would they not be a much more attractive option to him given that they would be starting in the Football League? No investor is just going to gift money to a club that will not only take years to get any sizeable return, but is likely to fold once it has achieved its specified aim. I'm 100% in favour of a phoenix club if the current CCFC disappears, don't get me wrong-and the debate seems to centre more around whether the club is actually already dead or not.
I don't think it is, and starting a protest club to try and remedy the situation to me just seems destined to fail.
it does not matter one iota how much they have put in - eg a gambler chasing his losses
current worth is negliglible
forecast losses over the next 3 years must be £15m
therefore there is clearly something else behind sisus stubbornness
some accounting technicality which is enabling them to make a fortune from the situation perhaps
Our situation is completely different to Wimbledon's, you know it, so stop the cheap comparison - Northampton won't have another football club! People like yourself are incredibly short-sighted, if we ground share for 3 years, then return to a new stadium, in that time, this Phoenix club won't even be in the non leagues! I seriously doubt that SISU will have anything to with CCFC by the time a Phoenix club made non-league. If CCFC no longer existed then I'd support the formation of a Phoenix club, but whilst CCFC exist, no chance!
Andy Smith. (AFC Wimbledon supporter, on https://www.facebook.com/groups/569136386443241/?ref=ts&fref=ts)
When the Wimbledon move happened everyone just thought "what the feck we gonna do on a Saturday now", then we came up with afc Wimbledon, job done. We have our club back. I hope it doesn't come to this with cov, but if it does it's not a bad journey, we had some cracking away days in shitty little towns we'd never heard of taking 2,000 fans to some village for a game of football. Haha! Non league football is fun but hard.
https://www.facebook.com/Coventry1883
Is it? I can't see City surviving for three years in Northampton.
The fans ARE the club. Why can you not understand this?
Andy Smith. (AFC Wimbledon supporter, on https://www.facebook.com/groups/569136386443241/?ref=ts&fref=ts)
When the Wimbledon move happened everyone just thought "what the fuck we gonna do on a Saturday now", then we came up with afc Wimbledon, job done. We have our club back. I hope it doesn't come to this with cov, but if it does it's not a bad journey, we had some cracking away days in shitty little towns we'd never heard of taking 2,000 fans to some village for a game of football. Haha! Non league football is fun but hard.
https://www.facebook.com/Coventry1883
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