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[Deleted member 5849]

Again, share some ground here. I can't see that even a worst-case scenario would hurt CRFC that much. If the RFU remapping takes place, they get talent that currently routed to Worcester, at least for a while. Look at their current gates - they're not going to be impacted by Wasps are they?

It does however provide that glass ceiling, and as a club, surely one of the principles is striving for the top (evenm if never making it)? Take that away and it becomes harder to keep an identity, doesn't it, and then it becomes harder to sell the club not just to punters, but to egomaniacs who have a spot of spare cash they want to fritter away on a pasttime.

And dependent on the area draw, does it automatically mean players have to end up at CRFC? If Wasps go badly, the supply of players deteriorates anyway, let alone if they end up at, say, Nuneaton Rugby Club (not at too bad a level themselves not over-many years ago)_

That leaves CCFC. Who's is the gamble? The football club wants to build anew. Against that backdrop, how does the council's decision impact them?

Which again surely leaves two options. Either we re-tread the ground about believing the club or not (and what the stadium owners should have done) or we focus our efforts into making sure if a new ground ends up happening, it at least has every chance of being in the right place... the moral imperitive for that's harder to sell now, though.

 

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[covcity4life]

I was quoting Richard Cockerill from Tigers. Born in Coventry, coaches Tigers and understands our demographic, he can not see where their support will come from. He went on to say that he would think that they are hoping to attract fans from the surrounding conurbations that occasionally watch Leicester, Worcester and Northampton but are not willing to travel.

does he have freckles?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

So why would you to Wasps? Are you from London or Wycombe?

Pelople will go because it's top-flight sport Nick. Current England internationals playing against world class international competition. Do you remember what it was like when we could do that with footballers at Highfield Road? It's exhilarating to watch top-class athletes at the top of their game. You may not like egg-chasing, I respect that, but people will want to see this for sporting reasons that are quite understanable

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Pelople will go because it's top-flight sport Nick.

tbh, as I've said before, I understand that. May not like it, hope the numbers are... limited, but I understand that. It's the same, to a degree, as every bugger getting a Sky subscription rather than going down their local football ground, innit.

Some, however, who have been a little more... vociferous than others previously can't be surprised that their current equally... committed attachment to a certain position might raise eyebrows...

 

[Nick]

Pelople will go because it's top-flight sport Nick. Current England internationals playing against world class international competition. Do you remember what it was like when we could do that with footballers at Highfield Road? It's exhilarating to watch top-class athletes at the top of their game. You may not like egg-chasing, I respect that, but people will want to see this for sporting reasons that are quite understanable

I was only asking because Italia has said he wouldn't go and watch CRFC because he isn't from Coventry so has no ties to them. So was just asking the ties to wasps.

Your theory would explain it though as he was one of the shouty NOPM sorts until we got Arsenal.

I totally understand people will want to go to watch them, they are paying their money and I hope they have a good time. It is just the people who were so anti Sixfields and had a go at people who did went now suddenly on the Wasps bandwagon, which is a bit confusing.

 

[duffer]

There is a minor factual error in the report as pointed out by others - as it stands there may not be 17,000 watching Wasps, it assumes 100% take up of free tickets and all existing season ticket holders will turn up. That's not certain. Regardless, it's a one-off game, an occasion.

The true test comes when the freebies dry up and the novelty wears off.

As long as those attending (and anyone at CCC) don't have the brass bollocks to whine if or when our owners (SISU or someone else) take CCFC out of the city, I don't have a problem - it's a free country.

As for this lung-bursting desire to have top-flight rugby in Coventry, if even half of the 17,000 supposedly going to this got behind the Coventry team playing rugby here since 1874, then there wouldn't be an issue and CRFC would be challenging for that in a season or two. As a supporter I'd always argue that it's more fun to write your own story than buy someone else's.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

It does however provide that glass ceiling, and as a club, surely one of the principles is striving for the top (evenm if never making it)? Take that away and it becomes harder to keep an identity, doesn't it, and then it becomes harder to sell the club not just to punters, but to egomaniacs who have a spot of spare cash they want to fritter away on a pasttime.

And dependent on the area draw, does it automatically mean players have to end up at CRFC? If Wasps go badly, the supply of players deteriorates anyway, let alone if they end up at, say, Nuneaton Rugby Club (not at too bad a level themselves not over-many years ago)_



Which again surely leaves two options. Either we re-tread the ground about believing the club or not (and what the stadium owners should have done) or we focus our efforts into making sure if a new ground ends up happening, it at least has every chance of being in the right place... the moral imperitive for that's harder to sell now, though.

There is a glass ceiling, yes. But for the club more than the player. The player would move from CFRC to Wasps should they progress sufficiently. But before anyone is up in arms, right now, they'd be routed to Worcester and lost to the city anyway. I don't make these rules, I hasten to add, I'm just trying to explain - in practise - how things work. As for the mapping, it's all part of the RFU's 'pathways' programme. So, players will always be routed to academies of the top-flight clubs. Locally, the plan would be to change that from Worcester to Wasps, and have Wasps use CRFC as their player development location. Both for youngsters like this, or for other signings they'll make - national and international - who they wish to give game time to. But Nuns - who woud want to go there? ;-)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There is a minor factual error in the report as pointed out by others - as it stands there may not be 17,000 watching Wasps, it assumes 100% take up of free tickets and all existing season ticket holders will turn up. That's not certain. Regardless, it's a one-off game, an occasion.

The true test comes when the freebies dry up and the novelty wears off.

As long as those attending (and anyone at CCC) don't have the brass bollocks to whine if or when our owners (SISU or someone else) take CCFC out of the city, I don't have a problem - it's a free country.

As for this lung-bursting desire to have top-flight rugby in Coventry, if even half of the 17,000 supposedly going to this got behind the Coventry team playing rugby here since 1874, then there wouldn't be an issue and CRFC would be challenging for that in a season or two. As a supporter I'd always argue that it's more fun to write your own story than buy someone else's.

The last part is right on the money (so to speak).

 

[Nick]

There is a glass ceiling, yes. But for the club more than the player. The player would move from CFRC to Wasps should they progress sufficiently. But before anyone is up in arms, right now, they'd be routed to Worcester and lost to the city anyway. I don't make these rules, I hasten to add, I'm just trying to explain - in practise - how things work. As for the mapping, it's all part of the RFU's 'pathways' programme. So, players will always be routed to academies of the top-flight clubs. Locally, the plan would be to change that from Worcester to Wasps, and have Wasps use CRFC as their player development location. Both for youngsters like this, or for other signings they'll make - national and international - who they wish to give game time to. But Nuns - who woud want to go there? ;-)

Weren't Worcester up in arms about this? (This is not me saying I love Worcester and I think they are hard done by etc, just a genuine question)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But before anyone is up in arms, right now, they'd be routed to Worcester and lost to the city anyway.

We're again in danger of going round in circles though. Personally I find the current rules crazy, so I'd be changing them, rather than accentuating the madness of them.

Nuneaton? Cheap rent, cheaper hookers (as it were).

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Weren't Worcester up in arms about this? (This is not me saying I love Worcester and I think they are hard done by etc, just a genuine question)

Yes, and I have no doubt they'll oppose the remapping in 2016 (I recall). That stated, it is madness promising youngsters from Rugby - for example - using Broadstreet's facility (Worcester satellite academy), with a view to moving them on down to Worcester if they cut the mustard. That's madness heaped on madness. Eastwood also used to work at the RFU. Ahem....

 

[mattylad]

I'd guess it will probably help CRFC get to the championship, but it won't help them make it to the premiership. There again, considering there's a side in the championship with a billionaire backer that isn't guaranteed to make it to the premiership (and failed last season too), I think Cov will face more issues than Wasps to make it to the top.

CRFC will never be an elite side unless someone very wealthy decides to chuck buckets of cash at it and even then as you say its no guarantee.

 

[Covcraig@bury]

Well done wasps . That's all I can say !!

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

I don't care how many they've sold/given away not going just as I didn't go to Take That concerts in Acls previous incarnation. Looking forward to the Fylde game on Saturday and Port Vale game next week have to return some things to a pub there.


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[Ashdown]

With about 4 weeks to go they will presumably easily hit 22-25k, of course getting people to show up for something when it's special is easy as we saw with Gillingham it's much harder to turn these people into actual fans, they are making a decent attempt at it though with Greeters to help with rules and things, much better than sisu who tried to do the Gillingham game as cheaply as possible and pissed off everyone who brought tickets in the process.

I don't really see why we care either way though, wanting wasps to fail so we can get the ricoh off them is such a long term goal its silly putting much thought into it especially since our club won't exist by then the way we are going and if we do we certainly won't be needing a 30k+ stadium. Our club has such massive actual problems, it defies belief that Toorch and Grendel etc are spending so much effort criticizing what wasps are doing rather than criticising what our actual club is doing. Seems to me the CT's reporting is fair here, it says the 17k includes the free tickets and wasps season tickets. Doesn't seem to be any propganda or anything misleading in the article at all.

How can you say the Telegraph reporting is fair, I suggest you pop onto their online website and drool over the fabulous and uplifting report on Coventry Rugbys 9th win on the bounce this weekend in a pulsating game....................Oh no you fucking can't can you, they haven't bothered !! Cunts !

 

[mattylad]

I still think there will be quite an interest from the Irish contingent of Coventry to support the opposition on this game so that will equate for some of the sales. That said I have spoken to a lot of ex city fans who have drifted away from the club in the last five years and they just want to go and see someone win, as one lad said "when was the last time we saw an England International playing for the football club"

I know its horrible but its up to the football club to now respond and win those fans back, and they will come back if we get a succesful team on the pitch because all of them would take a winning football team over a winning rugby team. What they wont take is a sadly being squeezed to death division 3 team over a winning rugby team....over to you CCFC to sort your shit out!!

 

[torchomatic]

You're a Londoner then if you base it on that?

I'm not from Coventry so I have no allegiance to CRFC.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

have to return some things to a pub there.

A whistle?

 

[Covcraig@bury]

How can you say the Telegraph reporting is fair, I suggest you pop onto their online website and drool over the fabulous and uplifting report on Coventry Rugbys 9th win on the bounce this weekend in a pulsating game....................Oh no you fucking can't can you, they haven't bothered !! Cunts ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Totally agree , Cov Rugby are flying high and the CET should get behind them , but they won't because there a bag of spineless shit bags

 

[duffer]

I still think there will be quite an interest from the Irish contingent of Coventry to support the opposition on this game so that will equate for some of the sales. That said I have spoken to a lot of ex city fans who have drifted away from the club in the last five years and they just want to go and see someone win, as one lad said "when was the last time we saw an England International playing for the football club"

I know its horrible but its up to the football club to now respond and win those fans back, and they will come back if we get a succesful team on the pitch because all of them would take a winning football team over a winning rugby team. What they wont take is a sadly being squeezed to death division 3 team over a winning rugby team....over to you CCFC to sort your shit out!!

Sorry Matty, as part of the Irish contingent in Coventry, I can honestly say that there's feck all interest in London Irish. If you got Munster over here you might drag in a few, but I'd venture from personal experience that most of them here have far more interest in football than rugby.

 

[spider_ricoh]

Well done Wasps - ignore the mindless bitching of the embittered knobs on this forum and keep up the good work!

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Well done Wasps - ignore the mindless bitching of the embittered knobs on this forum and keep up the good work!

You're on the wrong forum mate

 

[Kingokings204]

Yeah I couldn't agree more about the telegraph. It is very clearly biased and a sporting team is winning I.e Cov rugby and no mention. Bad news

 

[italiahorse]

How can you say the Telegraph reporting is fair, I suggest you pop onto their online website and drool over the fabulous and uplifting report on Coventry Rugbys 9th win on the bounce this weekend in a pulsating game....................Oh no you fucking can't can you, they haven't bothered !! Cunts ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Totally agree , Cov Rugby are flying high and the CET should get behind them , but they won't because there a bag of spineless shit bags

Get your facts right before you open your filthy mouth
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/cov-convinced-can-challenge-title-8202599

 

[bigfatronssba]

If were trying to find positives, one is hopefully this will make people appreciate Cov a bit more. Judging from this forum there seems to be a lot ready to jump on the Cov Rugby bandwagon.

Another positive is Wasps showing how to generate support. You might not like them, but they are on course to get the biggest crowd a "Coventry" rugby club has ever had. That is a fairly impressive stat.

Those tactics need to be mirrored by the football club. Even if it does involve just giving thousands of tickets away, that can help to massively increase your future support. Let's hope Ccfc learn from Wasps in regard to this.

 

[Grendel]

You're on the wrong forum mate

Remember he thinks Andy thorn is a better manager than Jimmy Hill.

 

[covmark]

Well done Wasps - ignore the mindless bitching of the embittered knobs on this forum and keep up the good work!

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Remember he thinks Andy thorn is a better manager than Jimmy Hill.

I reckon he doesn't actually believe that, he just wants to see the club go into oblivion.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Get your facts right before you open your filthy mouth
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/cov-convinced-can-challenge-title-8202599

Few people made themselves look foolish on here!
Wonder if any will be man enough to apologise?

 

[Grendel]

Eastwood on the radio suggests 11,000 sold.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If were trying to find positives, one is hopefully this will make people appreciate Cov a bit more. Judging from this forum there seems to be a lot ready to jump on the Cov Rugby bandwagon.

Another positive is Wasps showing how to generate support. You might not like them, but they are on course to get the biggest crowd a "Coventry" rugby club has ever had. That is a fairly impressive stat.

Those tactics need to be mirrored by the football club. Even if it does involve just giving thousands of tickets away, that can help to massively increase your future support. Let's hope Ccfc learn from Wasps in regard to this.

That is yet to be demonstrated.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Get your facts right before you open your filthy mouth
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/cov-convinced-can-challenge-title-8202599

Could you point me to where that article is featured on the telegraph home page?

Thanks

 

[Grendel]

The 17,000 is apparently based on an estimate of the number of frees and season ticket holders that will attend.

 

[Grendel]

Bloody hell, I'm used to getting a rough ride from time to time, and I'm happy to accept constructive criticism, but I'm not sure what I've really done wrong here?

Could it be that people are annoyed with the actual subject matter and are directing that anger / frustration at me / the CT?

Seems like a fairly balanced article to me? The fact the figure includes season ticket holders and 3,500 free tickets is fairly high up in the story.

Perhaps the Gillingham game attendance would have been a fairer comparison. I accept that. But the fall from that initial gate is also interesting, and something some have predicted might also happen at Wasps.

Only time will tell.

To suggest I have any affinity for Wasps, particularly over the Sky Blues, is nonsense I'm afraid.

The fact is they will be a permanent Coventry team. We will have to cover their successes - and their failures. I'm sorry if people don't agree with that decision. We are certainly not the only media outlet who will be reporting on Wasps.


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Eastwood did confirm though that this is an estimate based on tickets sold so far and an assumption of a certain number of season tickets attending and also the free offers.

What is odd if course is why publish now at 17,000? Why is that a pivotal and relevant number for a headline? Surely 20,000 would be . Unless of course its the magic number that supports the double the figure attending CCFC. Which of course it is.

 

[bigfatronssba]

That is yet to be demonstrated.

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