I think relegation to the 1st Div was deliberate (2 Viewers)
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italiahorse
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.... and since then the business has gone further down hill.
RoboCCFC90
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With some of the views on the forum nowadays that's not as farfetched as you think.
RoboCCFC90
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I won't deny that.
However they are trying to improve the business model which you have to applaud, I say trying because if they wanted to fully improve the model they would return to the Ricoh, but personal judgement seems to be getting in the way of business in that respect.
Astute
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And I still don't think they have a clue. I would also say that they underestimated our fans. They are used to getting their own way most of the time. Even some of our fans that back them vocally haven't followed them to Northampton. They like to keep in the background but lately have been in the spotlight.
Astute
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Leaving us in Northampton when we could be back at the Ricoh for free for the rest of this season and for less than they are paying Northampton for the next two seasons is improving the business model? Income would go up in multiples if we came back.
Fuck that. Will never applaud them for keeping us in Northampton.
italiahorse
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I would agree with you on trying to improve the business model on the field, we are certainly getting value for money and even that I put most of it down to Pressley.
Can't see how they are doing it off the field. Brinkmanship, threats, no customer satisfaction, lies, misinformation etc is not my type of business model.
RoboCCFC90
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To be fair though Astute whether they underestimate the fans or not they don't have to justify their business ethics or expect our support, as is their perogative as owners of the business. Whether you believe they have a clue is up to you, I am not saying they're geniuses of the Football business, but their making steps and learning along the way.
Yeah and read my next sentance Astute as I said "If they wanted to full improve the business model they would return to the Ricoh" stop reading what you want to read and read it all!
ajsccfc
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Yep. I know there's a penchant here to paint them as maniacal Bond villains with their fingers in a number of conspiracy pies, but while there's certainly no end of agenda to their statements and off-pitch dealings, sometimes it's just old-fashioned ineptitude and awful decision-making to blame also.
I think our relegation failings fall in the latter category.
RoboCCFC90
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The reason they cut costs IH is because they're trying to work within it's own revenues, it's no secret that every business has to do this, but it's also no secret that Sisu are not fond of chucking money into a bottomless pit. If they build a new stadium or return to the Ricoh and start to rebuild the business model then that's acceptable, from the sounds of things by trying to put all the asstes into one company instead of CCFCH Ltd and CCFC Ltd is a good start.
I would agree though most of the on field business model has improved under Steven Pressley, but there are so many people to thank for the wonders that are happening on the pitch at the moment that are no longer at the Club, Greg Rioch would be the first!
magic82ball
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As I have mentioned on other threads about the conversation I had with Paul Clouting, this scenario is not as fanciful as some people think...
bigfatronssba
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What did he say?
torchomatic
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magic82ball
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Just that SISU had asked him what he thought would happen if they pulled the plug, sold the high earners and fielded the youth team. To which he responded along the lines of "certain relegation, this year or next" - The conversation I had with him happened before SISU actually pulled the plug and about a month into his reign.
How long did he stay with us??
Astute
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And as I said I think the same. So we both think the same. But as we have both said we both think so and don't know for sure so there is certainly doubt on the matter.
magic82ball
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10 months I think
italiahorse
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Just imagine the profits they could make if they were at the Ricoh with this threadbare team.
ajsccfc
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It's not really doubt, it's just something I can't say I know as I'm not a fly on the wall.
Otis
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If you were a fly on the wall you would still be a fly on the wall, cos Sisu wouldn't be able to afford the fly spray to zap you.
Either that or they would travel 34 miles to get the fly spray and then would spray you from there and obviously the vapour wouldn't travel that far ... .... probably on principal!
RoboCCFC90
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Absolutely, but with the JR pending and the bad blood squeezed in there, they're never going back under a tennancy agreement.
The Prefect
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I agree that relegation was deliberate to bring the issues with ACL and CCC to a head.
I hear what you're saying and respect your view. At the time we were told the club had no funds to invest to keep us in the Championship. Now the same owners have 'tens of millions' available to support the club during the time at Sixfields.
When you consider the turnover sacrifice of League 1 and the relocation to Sixfields for owners that (apparently have tens of millions and did when we were in the championship) it is a logical conclusion that SISU let the club be relegated. IMHO it is difficult to draw a different conclusion. Deliberate is open to debate but a hedge fund will want to make money out of negatives so when the opportunity of relegation was offered they took it. The policy now is to make money by acquiring the Ricoh for nothing. That wasn't going to happen if the club was in the Championship.
The 'hedge' of not acquiring the Ricoh is to build a new stadium at some point in the next four years.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Some time ago I asked the question did ccfc need to be distressed (or at least appear to be) in order for a plan to distress ACL to be effective? would have no idea if that was planned or not and make no such claim but it would seem logical
But would you really plan to be relegated? That might be the result of not providing extra funding etc but was it an actual plan? I find that hard to believe...... but then again a lot of this saga is hard to believe.
But would you really plan to be relegated? That might be the result of not providing extra funding etc but was it an actual plan? I find that hard to believe...... but then again a lot of this saga is hard to believe.
bigfatronssba
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My opinion is they probably had a plan to cut the budget regardless of the consequences, if that meant relegation so be it.
I am also of the opinion that somebody up there has been planning this stadium situation for a long time. You have to ask why did so many directors resign without a valid reason? I think many of them found out the plan and wanted nothing to do with it.
I am also of the opinion that somebody up there has been planning this stadium situation for a long time. You have to ask why did so many directors resign without a valid reason? I think many of them found out the plan and wanted nothing to do with it.
magic82ball
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Have to agree with this, whilst no one knows for sure if it was deliberate or not to get us "distressed" you can’t be naïve enough to believe this is a tactic too far in SISU's tool box.
magic82ball
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Have to agree with this, whilst no one knows for sure if it was deliberate or not to get us "distressed" you can’t be naïve enough to believe this is a tactic too far in SISU's tool box.
Skyblueweeman
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Thank goodness for RoboCCFC90. Common sense in all your posts on this thread young man. Good work.
shy_tall_knight
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Deliberate not sure but indifferent to us being relegated yes ?
First half of the season 2011/12 brought in 2 goalies & Cody plus Gary Gardener on loan for a month, they clearly knew that that was insufficient to stay up, letting Juke go after Xmas ans also Freddy ROD & Deegan go out on loan then bringing in youth players Nimley & Norwood folllowed by Geriatric Helagerson. Why let Juke go with £4m at stake if you can stay in the championship makes no sense to get rid of your top striker and replace with a kid.
First half of the season 2011/12 brought in 2 goalies & Cody plus Gary Gardener on loan for a month, they clearly knew that that was insufficient to stay up, letting Juke go after Xmas ans also Freddy ROD & Deegan go out on loan then bringing in youth players Nimley & Norwood folllowed by Geriatric Helagerson. Why let Juke go with £4m at stake if you can stay in the championship makes no sense to get rid of your top striker and replace with a kid.
fernandopartridge
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Deegan and Fattie Eastwood? Seriously?
Deegan went for a disciplinary reason. He was also an atrocious footballer.
RoboCCFC90
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magic82ball
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There was so much hype around him when he came, next Roy Keane and all that bollocks. Very dissapointing.
jesus-wept
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Haven't read all the posts but there is no doubt in my mind relegation was engineered by those running the team and one day I believe the truth will come out. Those saying rubbish look at the facts around that season, in the bottom 3 most of the season then a sudden boost in results and with just 6 games to go managed to get out of the bottom 3 and needing a player or two needed to strengthen our chances, loans would have done and then there was the story or rumour that some local business men offered Tim Fisher to cover the costs or any brought in player, I believe this offer was for real. Will always be denied though. That decision cost sisu £5million in lost TV revenue alone something I am certain Joy Sepalla knew nothing about until recently and coincidently Mr Fisher seems to have gone out to grass !!
RegTheDonk
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Sorry Snozz, that just depreciates the sell on value of the club IMHO. Plus, dropping from the Champ means a fair chunk of lost TV money.
skybluesam66
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when sepalla says she has no interest in football - she was not kidding
this includes having no idea about the finances of football
she had onye in at first - clown
Clouting/Dulieu - made a mockery
so she bought Fisher in and i think it is no coincedence that he has gone to pasture, whilst sepalla has at least attended a meeting or 2 - due to him having cost the club several million
if we assume over 3 years in northampton in league 1 versus 3 years at the ricoh in the championship
P&L wise is fairly neutral - they have not saved a penny
but the asset you have in the championship, and potentially a lucky promotion away from the premier league - and in effect Fisher has in asset terms cost the club probably 15 - 20m
so sisu poor management - absolutely - but deliberate - not sure
this includes having no idea about the finances of football
she had onye in at first - clown
Clouting/Dulieu - made a mockery
so she bought Fisher in and i think it is no coincedence that he has gone to pasture, whilst sepalla has at least attended a meeting or 2 - due to him having cost the club several million
if we assume over 3 years in northampton in league 1 versus 3 years at the ricoh in the championship
P&L wise is fairly neutral - they have not saved a penny
but the asset you have in the championship, and potentially a lucky promotion away from the premier league - and in effect Fisher has in asset terms cost the club probably 15 - 20m
so sisu poor management - absolutely - but deliberate - not sure