Grendel
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I don't think economics are his strong point
I'm not missing any point. You said it was denial to say that the outgoings will just be slashed to match the incomings.
Less money in or not, they will still cut costs, the club is getting smaller all the time, take lastIsn't it true though? Less money in, they cut the costs even more?
People said this months ago, then there was massive surprise and shock when Fisher mentioned it.
Where do you think that we are heading? Looks like we will be one step away from the conference in a few months time.We won't end up with a few hundred.
If that was to happen it would be the conference or something, SISU still wouldn't be putting any money in or losing out as they will have slashed the outgoings to suit.
We have Stevenson Willis Haynes Harries and Lameries - we have sell on clauses and add ons for Wilson and Maddison. The fess for these alone would fund a low paid squad for a couple of seasons at least
Acting like a twat seems to be your only strong point.I don't think economics are his strong point
Isn't it true though? Less money in, they cut the costs even more?
People said this months ago, then there was massive surprise and shock when Fisher mentioned it.
Surely the fans should be looking at facts to judge the situation?Lets say that balancing the books is the way the club is now operating. The club won't spend what it hasn't got. If you hammer home to everyone that the club is 100% independent financially from SISU, that no money we put in goes to SISU, you will never persuade thousands of those who have voted not to go and support them . Why ? They won't believe a word of it.
Let me ask this . Just suppose we suddenly double our season ticket holders to 10,000 next season. We average around 16,000 per home game. Suddenly we have , on the face of it, more money coming in . Do you honestly believe Fisher will announce there is money to spend? Do you think we will be able to attract better players ? And do you really believe that supporters would for one minute believe the idea that SISU won't be interested in taking a cut ?. Fisher will burble on about costs increasing, lost revenue etc and absolutely nothing will change.
The proof of what?What are the facts, and where is the proof ?
Facts?Surely the fans should be looking for facts to judge the situation?
Nick, persuade me that if we increase our gates by bumping up our season tickets next year in division 4 our club will have more money to spend on developing the team, the academy etc, bearing in mind that costs won't have risen dramatically (and that's just as important). Give me the facts and figures. I'm willing to be persuaded.
Facts?
TM was promised 60% of all income including transfer fees received. He didn't get it.
We were then told what the break even gates were. We exceeded them. Then we were told that they got the numbers disastrously wrong and it was well above our gates so we couldn't strengthen when the other teams were. So we plummeted down the table.
Have a look through the multiple threads discussing it. Ones were osb has been through accounts. I'm pretty sure it would be headline news the second it's shown they are taking money....and you have proof that money isn't going to SISU ? That's at the nub of it for the majority of people .
Have a look through the multiple threads discussing it. Ones were osb has been through accounts. I'm pretty sure it would be headline news the second it's shown they are taking money.
Do you have proof it is going to them?
Facts?
TM was promised 60% of all income including transfer fees received. He didn't get it.
We were then told what the break even gates were. We exceeded them. Then we were told that they got the numbers disastrously wrong and it was well above our gates so we couldn't strengthen when the other teams were. So we plummeted down the table.
If they were taking money no one would be surprised. It might make tabloid headlines but do you really believe supporters would be shocked ? if you do you are really out of touch.
I have no proof they are taking money in the same way you have no proof to the contrary. What I have is a football club destroyed by an owner who has disemboweled it for the insatiable desire for profit.
You do have to wonder at what point TM found out that he wasn't getting 60% of everything including transfer fees. We certainly seemed to be going into the closed season believing that but despite people insisting that we had a top six or top half of the table budget at the beginning of the season it was pretty obvious from our recruitment that wasn't the case. Did it change mid way through pre season? Is that why we couldn't get our number one targets? Is the failed recruitment policy down to a failed financial policy change during the transfer window?
It does seem strange that CCFC make 1 million profit (according to fisher)
Then Suddenly 650000 (i think it was that amount) appears in an account for SISU employees for loans that might not need to be paid back. Is there a link between the two things??? i dont know enough about it to have a clue so its just a question perhaps someone could answer?
I didn't say shocked as legally they are entitled to if they want to. Let's not pretend it wouldn't be spun too high heaven.
There's no basis behind the nopm stuff, the statements about our money going to sisu etc.
People aren't interested if things are fact or not are they? More people will listen to things line juggy shouting where's the money over and over than osb saying where the money actually is.
NOPM made sense when we were playing in Northampton, it was saying we don't support this move this stance. Since returning to The Ricoh it has made no sense at all.
The biggest problem now is not the budget, but the clubs relationship with its fans: the distinct lack of leadership and desire to move the club forward.
That's exactly how I see it, a club can be ran break even and still flourish if it's done correctly. Unfortunately what is happening at City is about as far removed from doing it correctly as you can get.NOPM made sense when we were playing in Northampton, it was saying we don't support this move this stance. Since returning to The Ricoh it has made no sense at all.
The biggest problem now is not the budget, but the clubs relationship with its fans: the distinct lack of leadership and desire to move the club forward.
A professional football club by definition, must always strive to grow and succeed, steady investment
Will always be required to at the very least try to improve. It's a business that relies squarely on the
Backing of its customer base and being in a prominent enough position to be able to attract outside
Investment (sponsorship)
We currently do neither, in fact on the contrary 'our owners openly admit they will not be contributing
Anything to the cause, they are happy to watch us "wither away"
So firstly what Is the point of them leading this club.
And secondly what is the point of us following.
He was still chasing people like Wilson at the end of the window wasn't he?
So you wouldn't be up for a fan ownership model then?
There maybe some still doing NOPM, after all if they say they are, who am I or anyoneNOPM made sense when we were playing in Northampton, it was saying we don't support this move this stance. Since returning to The Ricoh it has made no sense at all.
The biggest problem now is not the budget, but the clubs relationship with its fans: the distinct lack of leadership and desire to move the club forward.
There maybe some still doing NOPM, after all if they say they are, who am I or anyone
Else to call them a liar. But I think it's generally accepted that people are just giving up
With the current regime, and who can blame them.
Most are giving up because the football is shite.
Fan representation on a competent board. YesSo you wouldn't be up for a fan ownership model then?
And why is the football shite?Most are giving up because the football is shite.
Which is still a reflection of the shit state of affairs at the club. You need to get over your fixation on who is genuinely NOPM and whose just gave up. It doesn't matter. It's all cause and effect and you should be concentrating on the cause. Personally I wish the phrase NOPM was never coined. It's given people like you a useful distraction from the crux of the problem.
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