Evo1883
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Possibly but when you consider the immediate effect of dyche and now moyes at Everton?
He maybe was a bit too inexperienced for such a role
Possibly but when you consider the immediate effect of dyche and now moyes at Everton?I get this, but I think anyone with even a slight interest in football could surely understand there were massive mitigating circumstances in his last two managerial stints
If you look at Dyche he had a very similar win rate to Lampard in the end. Lampard picked an awful job he didn’t have the experience for. It has done him the would of good to developPossibly but when you consider the immediate effect of dyche and now moyes at Everton?
He maybe was a bit too inexperienced for such a role
Winning 1 in 12 at chelsea is also awful however you spin itIf you look at Dyche he had a very similar win rate to Lampard in the end. Lampard picked an awful job he didn’t have the experience for. It has done him the would of good to develop
Yes, but I also wouldn't dispute that Dyche and Moyes are better managers than LampardPossibly but when you consider the immediate effect of dyche and now moyes at Everton?
He maybe was a bit too inexperienced for such a role
He did a reasonably good job in his first stint tbh and at derbyYes, but I also wouldn't dispute that Dyche and Moyes are better managers than Lampard
I always think with his first Chelsea stint it was a bit of a hiding to nothing
He is Mr Chelsea Football Club and of course he wanted to manage them, but he was offered a job he couldn't turn down yet wasn't ready for
Oh you can’t spin the Chelsea apart from he should have known better than joining them as it was batshit. I’d of thought a more experienced manager would have got more out of them.Winning 1 in 12 at chelsea is also awful however you spin it
Dyche 31% lampard 27 % both not great but shows how bad lampard was there .. inexperienced and shouldn't have took the job
Come on, it's Paxman.I think some of Paxmans drivel is as bad. Always interesting to see who likes these posts as well
"These are good players. The coaching has been off since it was changed early in the year. Robin's had problems with it and Vivash clearly had issues. You can see players are not sure of their roles. The Vivash/Robin's combination would have continued their good work and had us top six. Where did it go wrong since an FA Cup semi final with the same players? Lampard is not the answer but Doug King wanted to set the club up like a good salesman with huge improvements around the place, track suit wearing coaches and fitness guru's. The problem is you play on a footbal pitch and if you let the players think they just have to turn up then inevitably they are found wanting. Back to basics, with a good manager is what we need and lampard imo will never be it. If you are given a brilliant start after 4 minutes and then even missed easy chances to put the game out of sight then find yourself 4-1 down is a sign of a lack of control and basic coaching ability. Like so many great players they are hopeless coaches. Do we still have Robin's and Vivash's numbers? I see those 27k gates dropping like a stone now...great business King!"
"Just listened to Lampard's press interview. Again what a mess. A word salad from a guy who has nothing to say. The interviewer was leading him along and he fell into it each time. He never once made reference to what they are doing to rectify the last performance, as if he were just filling in the blanks. He may be a nice bloke and a legend to many of us but he does not sound like someone who knows what to do. He just doesn't seem to be in command of anything. You don't just nod and agree with the interviewer on every point? I take no pleasure in having a go at him, but I'm not getting filled with optimism atm."
Pages of people trying to kid themselves that they statistically analysed Lampard's history and watched every game he took, which is why they didn't want him and not just because they were losing their heads about Robins and thought Doug was mates with his family.
I disagree with this approach tbh. Football changes year to year. With the first two teams he had to build new teams to get them to compete.My issue with Lampard was that he didn't improve any team he managed -
He took Derby from 6th to 6th
He took Chelsea from 3rd to 4th
He took Everton from 16th to 19th
Clearly he has improved our league position, considerably, so fair play to him and long may it continue.
Tactically poor...
His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.
I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.
Winning 1 in 12 at chelsea is also awful however you spin it
Dyche 31% lampard 27 % both not great but shows how bad lampard was there .. inexperienced and shouldn't have took the job
Sorry but this team being a couple of points of the play off is a massive improvement of where we were when he took over.His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.
I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.
His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.
I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.
Tactically poor? He got a losing side to start winning games by sorting out the defence.His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.
I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.
He should never have gone back, it was a poisoned chalice. Taking the job as an interim was terrible for his authority, Lampard touched on that on his podcast on Diary of a CEO. Why were the players going get behind a manager who was only going to be there for 12 games? Especially the players on the periphery of their massive squad who’d been chopped and changed by multiple managers.
Reading between the lines, Lampard had said it was a good experience to deal with as a young manager but a scenario he wouldn’t put himself in again.
On Dyche, for such a highly rate manager to only have a 4% better win-rate than an inexperienced Lampard doesn’t make him a terrible manager. If we had the opportunity to hire Dyche, you’d be stupid not to. He wouldn’t take the job because he’s a good Premiership manager for bottom half teams.
It’s potentially made him a better manager when he took our job on.
Understand people will be overly optimistic right now and that’s fine to call out, but also fair to say he’s doing well
His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.
I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.
I don't even know if you believe what you are writing at this point on this subjectwell my work here is done
well my work here is done
I don't even know if you believe what you are writing at this point on this subject
Its good for engagement though, Nick should be thanking you really.
Agree to disagree, Robins was not getting us anywhere near 8th, maybe not even 14th. Bloke was finished here, an unfortunate end but all good things come to an end.Little column A little column B.
I think we’ve been OK. Results have been great recently but the football has generally been poor. I don’t think we’d have stayed where we were, this squad is a midtable squad IMO and would have ended up 8-14th or so and that’s still where I expect us to end up. I think Dovins form has been the biggest change, we’re now not going behind or letting in equalisers where we were before, but do we look better generally? No IMO.
I’m disappointed at his inability to set us up or get us motivated for games against better opposition or get us playing any particular style of football. His subs are bizarre as are his tactics and team selections at times. I still don’t see him overachieving with us. People talking about him getting poached by the PL and being some genius manager are losing the plot IMO.
I’m disappointed at his inability to set us up or get us motivated for games against better opposition or get us playing any particular style of football. His subs are bizarre as are his tactics and team selections at times. I still don’t see him overachieving with us. People talking about him getting poached by the PL and being some genius manager are losing the plot IMO.
Little column A little column B.
I think we’ve been OK. Results have been great recently but the football has generally been poor. I don’t think we’d have stayed where we were, this squad is a midtable squad IMO and would have ended up 8-14th or so and that’s still where I expect us to end up. I think Dovins form has been the biggest change, we’re now not going behind or letting in equalisers where we were before, but do we look better generally? No IMO.
I’m disappointed at his inability to set us up or get us motivated for games against better opposition or get us playing any particular style of football. His subs are bizarre as are his tactics and team selections at times. I still don’t see him overachieving with us. People talking about him getting poached by the PL and being some genius manager are losing the plot IMO.
At least he's open with it and i think there's an element of trolling which i respect. A couple of others are just snide with it, previously half decent posters for the most part too.I can't tell if you're actually being serious with the rest of it?
Just strange and you're not the only one who has gone extra weird since Robins went and Lampard came in.
As a caveat Lampard hasnt had Wright available at all, limited use of Mason-Clark and Sheaf and had to sort out all the defensive issues. I dont consider motivation an issue just we have played 2 big sides since he arrived and Leeds and Ipswich are premier league level teams. In the games either side of us Leeds have scored 11 without reply. If we had our actual first choice 11 available im sure performances would improve to match the results.Little column A little column B.
I think we’ve been OK. Results have been great recently but the football has generally been poor. I don’t think we’d have stayed where we were, this squad is a midtable squad IMO and would have ended up 8-14th or so and that’s still where I expect us to end up. I think Dovins form has been the biggest change, we’re now not going behind or letting in equalisers where we were before, but do we look better generally? No IMO.
I’m disappointed at his inability to set us up or get us motivated for games against better opposition or get us playing any particular style of football. His subs are bizarre as are his tactics and team selections at times. I still don’t see him overachieving with us. People talking about him getting poached by the PL and being some genius manager are losing the plot IMO.
After a fairly turgid Christmas/New year I wanted him to tighten up at the back and be more pragmatic. He's done that and we're now in the play off shake up.
The football isn't great, but nows not the time to start trying to turn us into 1970s Ajax.
I'd rather concentrate on grinding out results and trying to crack the top 6.
It was for the opposition cutting us to ribbons every week.Let's not pretend the football was free flowing prior to lampard coming in either btw
He's beaten several teams in the play off hunt in the last few hasn't he?Can’t argue with the recent results. I just worry that when he comes up against better teams he’s clueless on how to set us up and that’s kind of needed to win the play offs. Not that I think we’ll make the play offs, but maybe. Maybe I got to used to winning those kinds of games, but it feels necessary for a team of our means to get where we want.
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