I'm Seriously Annoyed (4 Viewers)

Paxman II · Jul 9, 2014

I'm right wing (if anything) as if you didn't know but not afraid to say so. But then I don't agree with all that comes from either side so will never be a politician!
I watched a TV slot where people were asked recently how they would vote at the next general election. The results were unremarkable and predictable. As a rule of thumb working class northerners interviewed said they would vote labour, "because I always vote labour" quote. And there you have it. Blue collar, white collar it's still all endemic to our society.
I do agree that UKIP seems to have made inroads across the divide.

shmmeee · Jul 9, 2014

torchomatic said:
Personally, I go because my son wants to continue to see his team and I want him to see his team. If he didn’t want to go or decided to go and support Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd then I wouldn’t go. It may sound trite, but that’s the truth of the matter.

I’ve said a zillion times that I do not have a problem with those who decide not to attend, after all its freedom of choice and all that, but I do have a problem when certain posters decide to tell me I am wrong or have a lack of morals, etc. That’s bollocks; it’s nothing to do with morals. I’m not smoking in a closed car with him inside. I’m not giving him a can of lager to keep him quiet. I’m not letting him play violent video games. I don’t hit him. I volunteer in a local charity shop once a month. I volunteer as a “taxi” and take elderly people to hospital to see their relatives. I’m not a racist. I’m not a homophobe. I pay my taxes. I give to charity. I don’t cheat on my wife. I don’t steal. However (and here’s the thing), I do go to watch a game of football with an 8 year old boy.

I don’t feel bad or guilty for going to see CCFC. I don’t feel I have to explain my decision to you or anyone else. I may try (as I have above) but I don’t HAVE to. Regardless of what a load of anonymous blokes think I will still go. If they show respect in asking why then I will try and answer in a similar fashion. If they don’t then again I will answer similarly.

The ONE thing that will stop me going is my boy, if he said he didn’t want to go then we wouldn’t go. I don’t think that would happen - we went to ten away games last season and we’ll increase that this coming season too if we can – but you never know.

“... what you think is right isn't the same as knowing what is right.”

Arguably, there's no right and therefore what you think is in fact reality, but that's a bit deep for a Wednesday morning.

All the things you list are personal morals, good for you, I have no doubt you're a good person (whatever that is). But, dude, someone who is perfectly comfortable with their position doesn't write that post out with such defensive comments.

Just saying, if you're genuinely not at least a little bit scared and confused about the future of our club, then you're in a tiny minority.

Sick Boy · Jul 9, 2014

play_in_skyblue_stripes said:
If someone did an analysis on political leaning (ie extreme left wing, left wing, center , right wing, extreme right wing on on those people who are more anti CCC/ACL than anti SISU I wonder if a correlation would be found?

Are right wing people more inclined to back SISU or has political leaning nothing to do with it?

I dont know the answer to my hypothetical question but it would be interesting to know.

The people who criticise ACL do not back SISU. IMO it is due to the lack of balance on here, alongside those who post rubbish like 'up the council'.

I have been called a sisu apologist yet have never been Sixfields and do not intend to. I was never keen on them coming into the club,yet if you spoke out at the time you got abuse. When they sold Dann and Fox it became obvious what was going to happen. Their continued employment of the worse manager in the club's history summed it all up.

Noggin · Jul 9, 2014

shmmeee said:
Not particularly sure that's the preserve of the Right either, no matter how much Labour and the Guardian would like to pretend all left wing voters are muesli knitting, one legged lesbians. See the rise of UKIP in the north. (I say this as a left wing muesli knitting lesbian BTW).

True but while it's the case that how you feel about big government shouldn't relate at all to how you feel about gay marriage there is imo at least alot more of it on the right and these things seem to get tied together, in America it's very strongly the case, less so here.

Seems to me people feel they have to pick this block of beliefs or that block of beliefs so pick based on the most important thing to them but then end up believing the rest of the things in their block of beliefs even if they didn't to begin with. People get polarised into strongly being on a side of an arguement they originally didn't even agree with not because they have had rational argument to change their mind but because their party of people believes this. I'm probably doing a poor job of explaining what I mean and this probably isn't the place for it anyway.

shmmeee · Jul 9, 2014

Paxman II said:
I'm right wing (if anything) as if you didn't know but not afraid to say so. But then I don't agree with all that comes from either side so will never be a politician!
I watched a TV slot where people were asked recently how they would vote at the next general election. The results were unremarkable and predictable. As a rule of thumb working class northerners interviewed said they would vote labour, "because I always vote labour" quote. And there you have it. Blue collar, white collar it's still all endemic to our society.
I do agree that UKIP seems to have made inroads across the divide.

I don't think most even know what right or left wing means. Besides, I think the more important argument is libertarian vs authoritarian (which is what UKIP are pulling at). I'm a big fat left wing libertarian. Let everyone do what they want as long as it doesn't cause lasting harm to others, and prioritise liberty over security and generally society works best when everyone chips in and is nice to each other. Unfortunately, no one is looking for my vote.

skybluebeduff · Jul 9, 2014

Thought he wasn't even a Coventry fan?

Did i think wrong?

Noggin · Jul 9, 2014

Sick Boy said:
The people who criticise ACL do not back SISU. IMO it is due to the lack of balance on here, alongside those who post rubbish like 'up the council'.

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If you think Sisu are 90% to blame and the council 10% but 95% of the posts are critasing sisu so because of that you try to "fix" the imbalance by posting 100% of the time against the council or against those critasing sisu you don't improve the balance at all. what you do is cause arguments.

shmmeee · Jul 9, 2014

Noggin said:
True but while it's the case that how you feel about big government shouldn't relate at all to how you feel about gay marriage there is imo at least alot more of it on the right and these things seem to get tied together, in America it's very strongly the case, less so here.

Seems to me people feel they have to pick this block of beliefs or that block of beliefs so pick based on the most important thing to them but then end up believing the rest of the things in their block of beliefs even if they didn't to begin with. People get polarised into strongly being on a side of an arguement they originally didn't even agree with not because they have had rational argument to change their mind but because their party of people believes this. I'm probably doing a poor job of explaining what I mean and this probably isn't the place for it anyway.

There's an argument that the Right doesn't have a strong enough political base when it goes full blown neoliberal free market, so has to tap into base emotions such as religion and racism as it can't win the intellectual argument. Again, it's politics of fear, it's been how you motivate people for centuries.

torchomatic · Jul 9, 2014

Well, that's the problem isn't it? If you don’t say anything – or say something the wrong way - then you are said to be defending and supporting SISU. If you say WHY you go (as I have tried to do) then it’s being “defensive”. So, really it’s a lose-lose kind of thing isn’t it? I was simply pointing out, or so I thought, that my whole moral code is seemingly in tatters because I take a kid to a football match. That's what it boils down to.

A great example of how things go on here is your final sentence. Who said I wasn’t “a little bit scared about the future of our club”. Oh, apart from you that is?

shmmeee said:
Arguably, there's no right and therefore what you think is in fact reality, but that's a bit deep for a Wednesday morning.

All the things you list are personal morals, good for you, I have no doubt you're a good person (whatever that is). But, dude, someone who is perfectly comfortable with their position doesn't write that post out with such defensive comments.

Just saying, if you're genuinely not at least a little bit scared and confused about the future of our club, then you're in a tiny minority.

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Jul 9, 2014

AndreasB said:
Toatally agree - there does seem to be a libertarian element in some of the anti council stuff - ie they must be on the take because they have been in power since before the war etc. See also some of the anti Cov Tel stuff as well.

Being totally NON political here, its generally a disadvatage to have the same party in power over an long period regardless on what polical leanings that party particular has. The city of Coventry demographics generally is a left wing hence the same party in power for most of the 30 years plus.

Im NOT saying that it defintely has been a factor in the Ricoh Arena issue but there is a possiblilty that it has had an indirect influence on the matter.

torchomatic · Jul 9, 2014

Not me, sonny. I'm a leftie me.

play_in_skyblue_stripes said:
Im NOT saying that it defintely has been a factor in the Ricoh Arena issue but there is a possiblilty that it has had an indirect influence on the matter.

Ian1779 · Jul 9, 2014

Noggin said:
If you think Sisu are 90% to blame and the council 10% but 95% of the posts are critasing sisu so because of that you try to "fix" the imbalance by posting 100% of the time against the council or against those critasing sisu you don't improve the balance at all. what you do is cause arguments.

I don't think anyone is actively supporting SISU, but there is balance to be found between those who don't really care about the fans (SISU) and those that pretend that they care about the club and the fans - but actually don't care either (Council and ACL)

Evidently - in this whole scenario... no one has been found to do anything illegal. You could argue over the morally right or wrong aspect. But no party ultimately has demonstrated that CCFC is at the heart of their actions.

skybluebeduff · Jul 9, 2014

I go because my son wants to continue to see his team

It's not just your boy who wants to see his team Torch, another 10,000+ fans want to see their team too, but Coventry City playing in Northampton Town deflates any morals we have about watching Our City play in a Town.

It will be a moral victory though, when they return us home.

The Gentleman · Jul 9, 2014

torchomatic said:
Personally, I go because my son wants to continue to see his team and I want him to see his team. If he didn’t want to go or decided to go and support Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd then I wouldn’t go. It may sound trite, but that’s the truth of the matter.

I’ve said a zillion times that I do not have a problem with those who decide not to attend, after all its freedom of choice and all that, but I do have a problem when certain posters decide to tell me I am wrong or have a lack of morals, etc. That’s bollocks; it’s nothing to do with morals. I’m not smoking in a closed car with him inside. I’m not giving him a can of lager to keep him quiet. I’m not letting him play violent video games. I don’t hit him. I volunteer in a local charity shop once a month. I volunteer as a “taxi” and take elderly people to hospital to see their relatives. I’m not a racist. I’m not a homophobe. I pay my taxes. I give to charity. I don’t cheat on my wife. I don’t steal. However (and here’s the thing), I do go to watch a game of football with an 8 year old boy.

I don’t feel bad or guilty for going to see CCFC. I don’t feel I have to explain my decision to you or anyone else. I may try (as I have above) but I don’t HAVE to. Regardless of what a load of anonymous blokes think I will still go. If they show respect in asking why then I will try and answer in a similar fashion. If they don’t then again I will answer similarly.

The ONE thing that will stop me going is my boy, if he said he didn’t want to go then we wouldn’t go. I don’t think that would happen - we went to ten away games last season and we’ll increase that this coming season too if we can – but you never know.

“... what you think is right isn't the same as knowing what is right.”

I am sorry to have to tell you this Torchomatic but I think your wife is having an affair because she thinks you're too much of a goody two shoes!

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Jul 9, 2014

skybluebeduff said:
It's not just your boy who wants to see his team Torch, another 10,000+ fans want to see their team too, but Coventry City playing in Northampton Town deflates any morals we have about watching Our City play in a Town.

It will be a moral victory though, when they return us home.

Well said sbduff, I agree. Personally I dont understand and dont like it when some Coventry flolk people refer to Coventry as home town. Coventry is a City and it should be called as such. People in Manchester etc dont refer to Manchester as a town etc.

One of the problems with the city of Coventry is their own citizens down playing the place. There is enough outside of Coventy that do that anyway.

For what its worth I left years ago and no longer see it as my home city BUT of course I still CARE about it!

Noggin · Jul 9, 2014

torchomatic said:
Personally, I go because my son wants to continue to see his team and I want him to see his team. If he didn’t want to go or decided to go and support Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd then I wouldn’t go. It may sound trite, but that’s the truth of the matter.

I’ve said a zillion times that I do not have a problem with those who decide not to attend, after all its freedom of choice and all that, but I do have a problem when certain posters decide to tell me I am wrong or have a lack of morals, etc. That’s bollocks; it’s nothing to do with morals. I’m not smoking in a closed car with him inside. I’m not giving him a can of lager to keep him quiet. I’m not letting him play violent video games. I don’t hit him. I volunteer in a local charity shop once a month. I volunteer as a “taxi” and take elderly people to hospital to see their relatives. I’m not a racist. I’m not a homophobe. I pay my taxes. I give to charity. I don’t cheat on my wife. I don’t steal. However (and here’s the thing), I do go to watch a game of football with an 8 year old boy.

I don’t feel bad or guilty for going to see CCFC. I don’t feel I have to explain my decision to you or anyone else. I may try (as I have above) but I don’t HAVE to. Regardless of what a load of anonymous blokes think I will still go. If they show respect in asking why then I will try and answer in a similar fashion. If they don’t then again I will answer similarly.

The ONE thing that will stop me going is my boy, if he said he didn’t want to go then we wouldn’t go. I don’t think that would happen - we went to ten away games last season and we’ll increase that this coming season too if we can – but you never know.

“... what you think is right isn't the same as knowing what is right.”

I don't have a problem with you going to sixfields in the slightest, I disagree with it but consider your viewpoint on this issue equally valid as mine and even if I didn't doing whats best for your son is above all else.

My issues with you (and the vast majority of peoples issues with you) is the other things you post. A couple of idiots criticised what you were doing with insults and in response you've hardened your position to a ridiculous level, your posts are nearly all against the council/acl or criticizing those criticizing sisu, this might not technically be supporting sisu and I certainly believe you don't' like them but it sure is running interference for sisu. I remember your bullet point list of events up until now, it really was so biased that even Tim Fisher would have been embarrassed by it. A vocal minority have been mean to you and in response you took your position to an undefensible one and annoyed the majority.

You got great support when you put up the posters in sixfields that should show you that the majority's issues with those who go to sixfields is not with the fact you go but with the appearance of support or acceptance you (and seemingly every other sixfields attendee here) give with your posts and lack of protest, if the sixfield attendees posts on the forum were reasonable, if there were protests in sixfields (and all I'm talking about is a bit of singing and the occasional banner spread around) then the vast majority would be perfectly happy with your position even if we don't agree with it and when some idiot calls you a scab we'd all be telling them to shut the hell up. That doesn't happen to the extent it should now because like it or not (and I believe the attendees dont like sisu) the attendees do give the strong appearance of acceptance and support with their actions.

torchomatic · Jul 9, 2014

I'm not starting this whole thing up again. But FOC - freedom on choice. I go. Other's don't.

I want to see CCFC at the Ricoh just as much as you. Morals don't come in to it.

skybluebeduff said:
It's not just your boy who wants to see his team Torch, another 10,000+ fans want to see their team too, but Coventry City playing in Northampton Town deflates any morals we have about watching Our City play in a Town.

It will be a moral victory though, when they return us home.

Nick · Jul 9, 2014

Noggin said:
I don't have a problem with you going to sixfields in the slightest, I disagree with it but consider your viewpoint on this issue equally valid as mine and even if I didn't doing whats best for your son is above all else.

My issues with you (and the vast majority of peoples issues with you) is the other things you post. A couple of idiots criticised what you were doing with insults and in response you've hardened your position to a ridiculous level, your posts are nearly all against the council/acl or criticizing those criticizing sisu, this might not technically be supporting sisu and I certainly believe you don't' like them but it sure is running interference for sisu. I remember your bullet point list of events up until now, it really was so biased that even Tim Fisher would have been embarrassed by it. A vocal minority have been mean to you and in response you took your position to an undefensible one and annoyed the majority.

You got great support when you put up the posters in sixfields that should show you that the majority's issues with those who go to sixfields is not with the fact you go but with the appearance of support or acceptance you (and seemingly every other sixfields attendee here) give with your posts and lack of protest, if the sixfield attendees posts on the forum were reasonable, if there were protests in sixfields (and all I'm talking about is a bit of singing and the occasional banner spread around) then the vast majority would be perfectly happy with your position even if we don't agree with it and when some idiot calls you a scab we'd all be telling them to shut the hell up. That doesn't happen to the extent it should now because like it or not (and I believe the attendees dont like sisu) the attendees do give the strong appearance of acceptance and support with their actions.

The thing is though, why would people who do go want to do things just to be accepted by other fans?

There needs to be a compromise, not all fans want to get in fishers face and have a go, that's why the scarves were a good idea

torchomatic · Jul 9, 2014

I have hardened my position and yes it is to do with how others have (and continue) to question my support, lack of morals, etc. I think that’s natural. I think it would take a special kind of man to ignore those jibes and I’m not a special type of man.

I certainly don’t think my posts are all anti ccc/acl and I’ve criticised SISU many times in the past as I have with the whole “moving to Sixfields” thing. However, I do – and will continue – to question those who only see things in black and white. And there are many of those on here.

Like it or not, I don’t agree with your last sentence at all. To me CCFC and SISU are totally separate entities. I’ve always thought that and always will.

Your post is a great example of the black and white thing. I go to watch my team play football. I'm not going to stop so I can get likes and "high fives" from you and others.

Noggin said:
I don't have a problem with you going to sixfields in the slightest, I disagree with it but consider your viewpoint on this issue equally valid as mine and even if I didn't doing whats best for your son is above all else.

My issues with you (and the vast majority of peoples issues with you) is the other things you post. A couple of idiots criticised what you were doing with insults and in response you've hardened your position to a ridiculous level, your posts are nearly all against the council/acl or criticizing those criticizing sisu, this might not technically be supporting sisu and I certainly believe you don't' like them but it sure is running interference for sisu. I remember your bullet point list of events up until now, it really was so biased that even Tim Fisher would have been embarrassed by it. A vocal minority have been mean to you and in response you took your position to an undefensible one and annoyed the majority.

You got great support when you put up the posters in sixfields that should show you that the majority's issues with those who go to sixfields is not with the fact you go but with the appearance of support or acceptance you (and seemingly every other sixfields attendee here) give with your posts and lack of protest, if the sixfield attendees posts on the forum were reasonable, if there were protests in sixfields (and all I'm talking about is a bit of singing and the occasional banner spread around) then the vast majority would be perfectly happy with your position even if we don't agree with it and when some idiot calls you a scab we'd all be telling them to shut the hell up. That doesn't happen to the extent it should now because like it or not (and I believe the attendees dont like sisu) the attendees do give the strong appearance of acceptance and support with their actions.

Noggin · Jul 9, 2014

Nick said:
The thing is though, why would people who do go want to do things just to be accepted by other fans?

There needs to be a compromise, not all fans want to get in fishers face and have a go, that's why the scarves were a good idea

Whose saying you should do things to be accepted? I've said you absolutely should ignore what we think and go to sixfields if it's right for you. I'm not telling you should sing sisu out, I'm telling you if hundreds of coventry fans that like a sing along are together at a game where Tim Fisher is in attendance and there no renditions of take us home or sisu out then like it or not you are giving the impression of support or acceptance (especially when thats combined with the posts here). You shouldn't do it to be accepted but it's the natural thing to what to do it.

There is a massive difference between singing we want to go home and getting in fishers face.

Nick · Jul 9, 2014

Noggin said:
Whose saying you should do things to be accepted? I've said you absolutely should ignore what we think and go to sixfields if it's right for you. I'm not telling you should sing sisu out, I'm telling you if hundreds of coventry fans that like a sing along are together at a game where Tim Fisher is in attendance and there no renditions of take us home or sisu out then like it or not you are giving the impression of support or acceptance (especially when thats combined with the posts here). You shouldn't do it to be accepted but it's the natural thing to what to do it.

There is a massive difference between singing we want to go home and getting in fishers face.

The bit where if there was some singing then other people would be happy with people who go to sixfields.

So just because somebody doesn't sing a song they are happy??????? And do this just to impress other fans?

The scarves were the best idea, but just got ignored.

The Gentleman · Jul 9, 2014

torchomatic said:
I have hardened my position and yes it is to do with how others have (and continue) to question my support, lack of morals, etc. I think that’s natural. I think it would take a special kind of man to ignore those jibes and I’m not a special type of man.

I certainly don’t think my posts are all anti ccc/acl and I’ve criticised SISU many times in the past as I have with the whole “moving to Sixfields” thing. However, I do – and will continue – to question those who only see things in black and white. And there are many of those on here.

Like it or not, I don’t agree with your last sentence at all. To me CCFC and SISU are totally separate entities. I’ve always thought that and always will.

Your post is a great example of the black and white thing. I go to watch my team play football. I'm not going to stop so I can get likes and "high fives" from you and others.

I have said all along that each to their own with regard to Sixields, protesting and supporting etc. However, how can Sisu and CCFC but totally separate entities when the decisions that Sisu make about CCFC have and continue to have direct consequences for CCFC. The two are linked in so many ways from employees of both to Sisu putting up the stuff about the JR on the CCFC website.

torchomatic · Jul 9, 2014

Jesus, I can see where this is going. Does this mean if I don’t shout or protest against something then it actually means I’m either condoning or am in fact agreeing with the actions of that something?

I better zoom down and protest outside the Chinese embassy then. I wouldn’t want you or others to slag me off for condoning continued human rights violations in China. After that, I can whizz across to the Russian embassy and protest about their record on gay rights, then….

Noggin said:
Whose saying you should do things to be accepted? I've said you absolutely should ignore what we think and go to sixfields if it's right for you. I'm not telling you should sing sisu out, I'm telling you if hundreds of coventry fans that like a sing along are together at a game where Tim Fisher is in attendance and there no renditions of take us home or sisu out then like it or not you are giving the impression of support or acceptance (especially when thats combined with the posts here). You shouldn't do it to be accepted but it's the natural thing to what to do it.

There is a massive difference between singing we want to go home and getting in fishers face.

torchomatic · Jul 9, 2014

Mmm...to be honest I've not been too aware of your liberal approach, but still. You better have a word with Sky Blue John too. He also thinks they're totally separate entities. There's a lot of "switching" to suit on that subject. But maybe that should have a whole new lengthy thread of its own.

The Gentleman said:
I have said all along that each to their own with regard to Sixields, protesting and supporting etc. However, how can Sisu and CCFC but totally separate entities when the decisions that Sisu make about CCFC have and continue to have direct consequences for CCFC. The two are linked in so many ways from employees of both to Sisu putting up the stuff about the JR on the CCFC website.

Noggin · Jul 9, 2014

torchomatic said:
I have hardened my position and yes it is to do with how others have (and continue) to question my support, lack of morals, etc. I think that’s natural. I think it would take a special kind of man to ignore those jibes and I’m not a special type of man.

No, it's natural and understandable to tell them to shut up, to call them idiots, to tell them you don't give a shit what they think, to tell them that your son and your own happiness is immeasurably more important to you than doing what someone else thinks is best for the club. It's not natural to respond by hardening your position against the acl and council and becoming more biased.

I certainly don’t think my posts are all anti ccc/acl and I’ve criticised SISU many times in the past as I have with the whole “moving to Sixfields” thing. However, I do – and will continue – to question those who only see things in black and white. And there are many of those on here.

The majority of your posts are criticizing ccc/acl/people criticising sisu, I agree you've criticised sisu but it's rare compared to how often you criticise the other 3 groups. While it might not be black and white exactly how much blame should go to sisu it is unquestionably the vast majority of the blame, even proven so in a court of law now.

Like it or not, I don’t agree with your last sentence at all. To me CCFC and SISU are totally separate entities. I’ve always thought that and always will.

not sure how that disagrees with my last sentence, thinking the best thing for the football club is to go and support them in northampton is a perfectly legitimate and arguable position even though I don't agree with it. But like it or not and weather you actually believe you are supporting sisu or not, attendees by their posts here and by the lack of singing we want to go home etc you are giving the appearance of support. if you don't care about giving that appearance then thats fine but your first line suggests actually you do care what people think.

Your post is a great example of the black and white thing. I go to watch my team play football. I'm not going to stop so I can get likes and "high fives" from you and others.

I haven't told you to stop you absolutely should do whats best for you and your family, we all should.

Nick · Jul 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
I have said all along that each to their own with regard to Sixields, protesting and supporting etc. However, how can Sisu and CCFC but totally separate entities when the decisions that Sisu make about CCFC have and continue to have direct consequences for CCFC. The two are linked in so many ways from employees of both to Sisu putting up the stuff about the JR on the CCFC website.

So anybody who has cheered a goal is supporting sisu in some way?

Grendel · Jul 9, 2014

torchomatic said:
Jesus, I can see where this is going. Does this mean if I don’t shout or protest against something then it actually means I’m either condoning or am in fact agreeing with the actions of that something?

I better zoom down and protest outside the Chinese embassy then. I wouldn’t want you or others to slag me off for condoning continued human rights violations in China. After that, I can whizz across to the Russian embassy and protest about their record on gay rights, then….

It's odd isn't it? Those people who really want to protest will not set foot in sixfields as that goes against their "morality". What an odd argument. So if a protestor against, say, oppression in Zimbawbwe was given an audience with Mugawbwe he would not go as going to the country shows he supports the regime.

Pathetic.

Noggin · Jul 9, 2014

torchomatic said:
Jesus, I can see where this is going. Does this mean if I don’t shout or protest against something then it actually means I’m either condoning or am in fact agreeing with the actions of that something?

I better zoom down and protest outside the Chinese embassy then. I wouldn’t want you or others to slag me off for condoning continued human rights violations in China. After that, I can whizz across to the Russian embassy and protest about their record on gay rights, then….

again another example of taking an argument to a ludicrous level as it's the only way you can argue against it. Not to mention the fact I've said multiple times its the combination of posts here along with the lack of protest their that gives the apperance of support.

football fans in the majority like to sing, the fact that a thousand + coventry fans can be together without singing sisu out or we want to go home on a reasonably regular basis says something.

Paxman II · Jul 9, 2014

play_in_skyblue_stripes said:
Well said sbduff, I agree. Personally I dont understand and dont like it when some Coventry flolk people refer to Coventry as home town. Coventry is a City and it should be called as such. People in Manchester etc dont refer to Manchester as a town etc.

One of the problems with the city of Coventry is their own citizens down playing the place. There is enough outside of Coventy that do that anyway.

For what its worth I left years ago and no longer see it as my home city BUT of course I still CARE about it!

The 'town' is just a turn of phrase to avoid confusion with City as in CCFC. Like good old London Town!

Noggin · Jul 9, 2014

Grendel said:
It's odd isn't it? Those people who really want to protest will not set foot in sixfields as that goes against their "morality". What an odd argument. So if a protestor against, say, oppression in Zimbawbwe was given an audience with Mugawbwe he would not go as going to the country shows he supports the regime.

Pathetic.

you really are, you surely see the massive gaping holes in that argument and how it doesn't apply in the slightest.

duffer · Jul 9, 2014

torchomatic said:
Personally, I go because my son wants to continue to see his team and I want him to see his team. If he didn’t want to go or decided to go and support Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd then I wouldn’t go. It may sound trite, but that’s the truth of the matter.

I’ve said a zillion times that I do not have a problem with those who decide not to attend, after all its freedom of choice and all that, but I do have a problem when certain posters decide to tell me I am wrong or have a lack of morals, etc. That’s bollocks; it’s nothing to do with morals. I’m not smoking in a closed car with him inside. I’m not giving him a can of lager to keep him quiet. I’m not letting him play violent video games. I don’t hit him. I volunteer in a local charity shop once a month. I volunteer as a “taxi” and take elderly people to hospital to see their relatives. I’m not a racist. I’m not a homophobe. I pay my taxes. I give to charity. I don’t cheat on my wife. I don’t steal. However (and here’s the thing), I do go to watch a game of football with an 8 year old boy.

I don’t feel bad or guilty for going to see CCFC. I don’t feel I have to explain my decision to you or anyone else. I may try (as I have above) but I don’t HAVE to. Regardless of what a load of anonymous blokes think I will still go. If they show respect in asking why then I will try and answer in a similar fashion. If they don’t then again I will answer similarly.

The ONE thing that will stop me going is my boy, if he said he didn’t want to go then we wouldn’t go. I don’t think that would happen - we went to ten away games last season and we’ll increase that this coming season too if we can – but you never know.

“... what you think is right isn't the same as knowing what is right.”

All of those things give you great credit, imho.

I'd obviously rather you didn't go to Sixfields, because as I've said I think it gives our owners (and to some degree the FL) the barest fig-leaf of respectability, but I accept entirely your reasons for going and I wouldn't criticise you for your choices.

One day this will all be over, and we can get back to just bemoaning the team/manager for their overall crapness. It's going to seem a bit boring, that.

fernandopartridge · Jul 9, 2014

shmmeee said:
Again. Not particularly relevant.

And just for parity: can you show your working?

It is relevant in the context of this constant "we need to highlight the situation" what better way than being clear it's a boycott and not just that people can't be arsed (which is closer to the reality for some).

skybluetony176 · Jul 9, 2014

Grendel said:
It's odd isn't it? Those people who really want to protest will not set foot in sixfields as that goes against their "morality". What an odd argument. So if a protestor against, say, oppression in Zimbawbwe was given an audience with Mugawbwe he would not go as going to the country shows he supports the regime.

Pathetic.

Are you really comparing JS to Mugawbe. What sanctimonious drivel, someone should start a thread on sanctimonious drivel so we can put an end to it.

By the way when is your audiance with Mugawbe? I'd love to know what you're going to say to him.

The Gentleman · Jul 9, 2014

Nick said:
So anybody who has cheered a goal is supporting sisu in some way?

Fucking childish and you know that is not what I am saying. Or are you reading between lines that are on a different page altogether?

Noggin · Jul 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
Fucking childish and you know that is not what I am saying. Or are you reading between lines that are on a different page altogether?

Torch, Grendel and Nick all 3 of them in the last couple of pages have deliberately taken peoples arguments to stupid levels to criticise them.

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