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fatso

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Most clubs, including our own, are using stats to guide our recruitment policy.

Do you reckon one our scouts fancied a game of footy in Turkey whilst on their trip for a hair transplant and stumbled across Haji Wright?
Stats have their place, but i think our scouts might actually attend matches and watch players rather than just googling some random stats sight.

Or maybe you think anyone with an Internet connection could be a talent scout now?
 

SleepyGinger

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Stats have their place, but i think our scouts might actually attend matches and watch players rather than just googling some random stats sight.

Or maybe you think anyone with an Internet connection could be a talent scout now?

Our very good recruitment has been heavily data driven the last 5 or so years
 

fatso

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Our very good recruitment has been heavily data driven the last 5 or so years
How the fuck did Dasilva slip through the net????

Seriously though, Brighton are said to have one of the best stat driven recruitment set ups in the country, but they still let Gyokeres go for peanuts.

Nothing can beat an experienced eye, look what MR has done with players like Mark Mcnulty, a player who excelled here but has been dog shit absolutely everywhere else. (Not even that good in the Scotish pub league)
 

TomRad85

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How the fuck did Dasilva slip through the net????

Seriously though, Brighton are said to have one of the best stat driven recruitment set ups in the country, but they still let Gyokeres go for peanuts.

Nothing can beat an experienced eye, look what MR has done with players like Mark Mcnulty, a player who excelled here but has been dog shit absolutely everywhere else.
Tbf, how they handled Gyokeres once he was in the club is more on the management/coaching team. You'd have to say they still did well do find a player like playing for a club that i think was Swedish Second Division at the time.
 

fatso

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Tbf, how they handled Gyokeres once he was in the club is more on the management/coaching team. You'd have to say they still did well do find a player like playing for a club that i think was Swedish Second Division at the time.
Something was definitely wrong at Brighton and Swansea for a player like Gyokeres to be noticed, recruited, and later let go for £1m, and then subsequently to be valued at eu100million

He always had the raw materials, height, pace, power, and a bit of skill etc, not to mention a great work ethic.

I was at Stoke away when he ran with the ball from the half way line and smashed it into the net, instant hero status!

No one around me could believe we got him for so little.

Maybe he just needed a run of games and a boss that had faith in him. (Much like Mark Mcknulty and Simms?)
 

fatso

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100% of people who disparage stats are too stupid to understand them.
And 100% of those who rely on them are too stupid to understand the value of experience.
 

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Offhegoes

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Something was definitely wrong at Brighton and Swansea for a player like Gyokeres to be noticed, recruited, and later let go for £1m, and then subsequently to be valued at eu100million

He always had the raw materials, height, pace, power, and a bit of skill etc, not to mention a great work ethic.

I was at Stoke away when he ran with the ball from the half way line and smashed it into the net, instant hero status!

No one around me could believe we got him for so little.

Maybe he just needed a run of games and a boss that had faith in him. (Much like Mark Mcknulty and Simms?)
As much as McNulty, Vik, Simms & Wright have been successes, we have had a few strikers under Robins reign that haven't worked out, and were probably some of the top earners at the time.

Waghorn
Clarke-Harris
Walker
McGuire
 

shmmeee

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As much as McNulty, Vik, Simms & Wright have been successes, we have had a few strikers under Robins reign that haven't worked out, and were probably some of the top earners at the time.

Waghorn
Clarke-Harris
Walker
McGuire

Maguire is a bit of a stretch. He was a short term deal to fill the bench. I’d agree with the others. Though Walker started OK, and Clarke Harris did well elsewhere just not with us.

I think he’s got a decent record for strikers. Godden is one of our all time top scorers up with the likes of Dublin and other greats. Vik is Vik. McNulty in L2 was a 20 a season striker.

We had years wishing for a 20 a season striker and we’ve had five in seven years.
 

fatso

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As much as McNulty, Vik, Simms & Wright have been successes, we have had a few strikers under Robins reign that haven't worked out, and were probably some of the top earners at the time.

Waghorn
Clarke-Harris
Walker
McGuire
True, but I don't think they cost much, so as such probably worth a punt, and the best we could get for our budget back then.

Waghorn was a quality player, who looked to of lost his pace.

Clarke Harris had all the attributes and tbf has had a fantastic scoring record since leaving. Rumour has it his attitude may have been questionable at times.

Walker had scored goals elsewhere, but was just lazy imo, and Mcguire was a decent player, just never a goalscorer.

Interestingly these "failures" occurred under our stats driven recruitment policy!!!! (#shmmeee) just saying 😘
 

shmmeee

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True, but I don't think they cost much, so as such probably worth a punt, and the best we could get for our budget back then.

Waghorn was a quality player, who looked to of lost his pace.

Clarke Harris had all the attributes and tbf has had a fantastic scoring record since leaving. Rumour has it his attitude may have been questionable at times.

Walker had scored goals elsewhere, but was just lazy imo, and Mcguire was a decent player, just never a goalscorer.

Interestingly these "failures" occurred under our stats driven recruitment policy!!!! (#shmmeee) just saying 😘

Walker yes. I think they were going for “experience” with Waghorn 😉
 

baldy

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Maguire is a bit of a stretch. He was a short term deal to fill the bench. I’d agree with the others. Though Walker started OK, and Clarke Harris did well elsewhere just not with us.

I think he’s got a decent record for strikers. Godden is one of our all time top scorers up with the likes of Dublin and other greats. Vik is Vik. McNulty in L2 was a 20 a season striker.

We had years wishing for a 20 a season striker and we’ve had five in seven years.

Not forgetting McGoldrick
 
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So "statistically" the taller you are, the more aerial duels you win?

Who would of thought?
Thank fuck for statistics!!!
Gyokeres was quite tall but relatively poor in the air.
 
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Obviously not quite as tall as the centre half's who marked him though, so I stand by my previous statement.
David Speedie would have been shorter than Gyokeres but was far better in the air.
 

clint van damme

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And 100% of those who rely on them are too stupid to understand the value of experience.

I'd be horrified if in this day and age our recruitment department wasn't relying heavily on stats and data.
I'd be equally horrified if after using them to identify a target someone didn't take time to go and actually watch them in action.
 

stevefloyd

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I was quite good in the air like the time I shagged that bird on a plane although to be fair that wasn't a fact it was wishful thinking....before anyone starts no offence intended with the use of 'bird'
 

Gibbo

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100% of people who disparage stats are too stupid to understand them.
100% correct. Subjective assessments by partial humans can be wildly variable. Just look at the judgements on here in the Player Ratings thread after each match. You guys watch a lot of football but opinions are all over the shop.
 

ProfessorbyGrace

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Just for reference, a players height doesn’t always equate to aerial ability. In fact, I’ve seen loads of short arses who can out-jump comparatively taller, stronger players; Fabio Cannavaro being one of them.

Jan Koller, the Czech striker who was built like a pole vaulter (202cm/6’’7’’) was atrocious in the air.

Obviously there are more than those examples, like Sean Flynn for us who was about 5’7’’ and would often somehow manage to out-jump most players.

Lower centre of gravity + less muscle mass can often allow a short arse to ‘spring’ more than, say, a strapping defender of greater height. Physics innit.
 

covcity4life

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100% correct. Subjective assessments by partial humans can be wildly variable. Just look at the judgements on here in the Player Ratings thread after each match. You guys watch a lot of football but opinions are all over the shop.
But mine are always right. So if you hire people who actually know football we will be ok
 

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