Grendel
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Great but they do Hamas so that’s all cool
I am fairly sure non of them do.
I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. It's not pretend outrage, except to people who don't give a fuck about it.
In regard to Gaza, and what appears to be to many to be a serious war crime in progress, some on here care about it, some clearly don't. Similarly, some politicians care, some don't. One hundred children are dying every day in Gaza - in many people that's going to provoke real rather than faux outrage. Hence the protest marches.
Believing that what you think and feel is the same as what everyone else thinks and feels, is nonsensical.
This, "it doesn't matter what politicians say" line, is, I'm afraid, bollocks of the very highest order.
If it didn't matter what politicians said and did, or what they stood for or against, or ignored, then this thread would be dead as a doornail, and voting would be entirely pointless.
Maybe the latter is, in fairness, given where the current parties stand.
Absolutely.It's nuts isn't it.
And you have the government and some of the press just stirring it all up.
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1. The protests have been taking place every Saturday. Yes, Saturday, so not happening on Remembrance Sunday
2. The organisers of the protest have given the police their route and have said they are going nowhere near the cenotaph.
3. The protests have been very peaceful on the whole, with just a handful of arrests.
Stuff like the headlines above however, are just going to bring the right wing nutters out to defend "British values" or something to that effect
And I think it will turn violent because of that.
I'm sure this one would have been pretty peaceful too, if it wasn't for everyone trying to stir up a hornet's nest.
And if it does turn violent, no doubt that the protestors will take the blame, just as much as any EDL type hate mob.
And to me, that's exactly what some in the government, Braverman especially, want
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You can almost predict in advance what's going to happen can't you.
And I wouldn't be surprised at all if the damage to the cenotaph in Rochdale has been fuelled because of all this shit stirring taking place.
I think if the right wing press hadn't covered this story of Saturday's march, no-one would have got their knickers in a twist over it.
My missus goes on Mumsnet and said, though there are indeed many sensible posts, there are also a lot of angry "how dare they take OUR day from us" types of post.
Wonder how many actually attend?It's nuts isn't it.
And you have the government and some of the press just stirring it all up.
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1. The protests have been taking place every Saturday. Yes, Saturday, so not happening on Remembrance Sunday
2. The organisers of the protest have given the police their route and have said they are going nowhere near the cenotaph.
3. The protests have been very peaceful on the whole, with just a handful of arrests.
Stuff like the headlines above however, are just going to bring the right wing nutters out to defend "British values" or something to that effect
And I think it will turn violent because of that.
I'm sure this one would have been pretty peaceful too, if it wasn't for everyone trying to stir up a hornet's nest.
And if it does turn violent, no doubt that the protestors will take the blame, just as much as any EDL type hate mob.
And to me, that's exactly what some in the government, Braverman especially, want
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You can almost predict in advance what's going to happen can't you.
And I wouldn't be surprised at all if the damage to the cenotaph in Rochdale has been fuelled because of all this shit stirring taking place.
I think if the right wing press hadn't covered this story of Saturday's march, no-one would have got their knickers in a twist over it.
My missus goes on Mumsnet and said, though there are indeed many sensible posts, there are also a lot of angry "how dare they take OUR day from us" types of post.
It's nuts isn't it.
And you have the government and some of the press just stirring it all up.
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1. The protests have been taking place every Saturday. Yes, Saturday, so not happening on Remembrance Sunday
2. The organisers of the protest have given the police their route and have said they are going nowhere near the cenotaph.
3. The protests have been very peaceful on the whole, with just a handful of arrests.
Stuff like the headlines above however, are just going to bring the right wing nutters out to defend "British values" or something to that effect
And I think it will turn violent because of that.
I'm sure this one would have been pretty peaceful too, if it wasn't for everyone trying to stir up a hornet's nest.
And if it does turn violent, no doubt that the protestors will take the blame, just as much as any EDL type hate mob.
And to me, that's exactly what some in the government, Braverman especially, want
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You can almost predict in advance what's going to happen can't you.
And I wouldn't be surprised at all if the damage to the cenotaph in Rochdale has been fuelled because of all this shit stirring taking place.
I think if the right wing press hadn't covered this story of Saturday's march, no-one would have got their knickers in a twist over it.
My missus goes on Mumsnet and said, though there are indeed many sensible posts, there are also a lot of angry "how dare they take OUR day from us" types of post.
They are marching for peace aren't they? I know for a fact that there are peace groups who are part of the march.Always good to know what they are marching for
Sunak and Bravaman will be very disappointed if there is no trouble. It's not as if they don't have proper jobs to do but they woukd rather engage in this stupid cultures wars.If, if there is trouble at the cenotaph at the weekend but the march doesn’t actually go anywhere near it (which I understand has always been the plan) then how could any trouble be down to the march? At the moment any trouble at the cenotaph seems most likely that a load of gammons riled up by Braverman turn up at the cenotaph looking for trouble with marchers and when none turn up they’ll take it out on the police. In that scenario that’s on Braverman, with her hate speech.
Well, maybe it’s because some of us are old enough to remember the BLM protests when a frenzy was whipped up that they were going to start attacking monuments in London. All that happened in the end was a load of gammons turned up to “protect” monuments, fought with the police because there was no one else to fight with and then desecrated a monument by pissing on it. Maybe you’re too young to remember that but not everyone here is.Interesting that if it kicks off at the weekend it's instantly the "gammons" fault.
Not sure who you’re referring to here, but there’s only one group of protestors which has vowed to gather in numbers at the Cenotaph on Saturday for reasons other than Armistice Day, and it’s not the pro-Palestinian marchers. I would take it up with them.Interesting that if it kicks off at the weekend it's instantly the "gammons" fault.
They are marching for peace aren't they? I know for a fact that there are peace groups who are part of the march.
I don't understand why people keep thinking any march for Palestine and wishing peace in Gaza and Palestine, is a pro Hamas thing.
Even the UN are now saying Israel are committing war crimes. Both sides
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And now we have this contend with on top.
English Defence League founder Tommy Robinson, who has been allowed back on X, formerly known as Twitter, after being banned for “hateful conduct” said on the platform: “British men are mobilising for Saturday to be in London.”
Well, to be fair, Nick, there have been protest marches every Saturday for a few weeks now and they have all passed off with barely any trouble at all. Just a handful of arrests.Interesting that if it kicks off at the weekend it's instantly the "gammons" fault.
The anti-Iraq war protests were never going to stop a war in Iraq either. You’re missing the point of protesting - the people attending do so knowing that world governments aren’t going to suddenly cave to all of their demands overnight.I suppose the bigger point is even if the marches changes the governments and/or labours stance and they call for a ceasefire (which Hamas won’t adhere to even if Israel did) they won’t make any difference to Israel as Israel will do what they feel they need to do.
This is where it differs to day the anti Iraq war marches for me, they were trying to influence our governments/our country’s involvement in the war. To say ‘not on our name’.
I agree. I would really like to see protests aimed at Hamas too.I agree most will be marching for a ceasefire however I think it’s fair to say there will be a (possibly substantial) minority that will be anti Israel and then a smaller minority anti semite
I’d have a lot more respect if those marching for a ceasefire were also targeting hamas and the release of the hostages, albeit they’re even less likely to listen to someone in london on a Saturday afternoon than the Israeli government. That’s what a real peace march would look like though. Anyone who does, full respect as there won’t ever be a proper ceasefire/resolution without positive actions in these areas as well
ps Sunak was obviously right to let the marches go ahead. It’s peoples democratic right in this country as long as they remain peaceful and aren’t a threat to others
Barely any trouble due to safety in numbers is the reality. There's an awful lot of hate at these 'peace' marches.Well, to be fair, Nick, there have been protest marches every Saturday for a few weeks now and they have all passed off with barely any trouble at all. Just a handful of arrests.
So if it kicks off on Saturday, why would it suddenly be the protestors who have been marching peacefully?
Surely it's much, much more likely to be the EDL types "mobilising for Saturday."
Absolutely logical isn't it?
They aren't though are they.I agree. I would really like to see protests aimed at Hamas too.
Exactly. I understand that Tommy Robinson has put a video on social media calling for people to gather at the cenotaph to show British people aren’t happy. History shows the rest. It’s a far smaller leap to claim that the right wing is going to cause trouble than the giant leap that Braverman is making. It’s the Tories that are whipping the right wing into a frenzy. Any trouble they cause will be on Braverman.Not sure who you’re referring to here, but there’s only one group of protestors which has vowed to gather in numbers at the Cenotaph on Saturday for reasons other than Armistice Day, and it’s not the pro-Palestinian marchers. I would take it up with them.
Which one did you go to?Barely any trouble due to safety in numbers is the reality. There's an awful lot of hate at these 'peace' marches.
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The anti-Iraq war protests were never going to stop a war in Iraq either. You’re missing the point of protesting - the people attending do so knowing that world governments aren’t going to suddenly cave to all of their demands overnight.
Which one did you go to?
The implication here that the pro-ceasefire protestors generally condone Hamas and the taking of hostages is just bizarre.I’d have a lot more respect if those marching for a ceasefire were also targeting hamas and the release of the hostages
I think that’s exactly what these pro-ceasefire marches are all about - I’m not sure what else you think they’re for..
In my mind these are totally different to the Iraq war marches which were a large proportion of population either trying to change/influence government policy (our own government - not another countys) and saying ‘not in our name’.
Sunak didn't let the marches go ahead. It wasn't his decision, although he used the position to try to make a point that he thinks will deliver political support. It's not Government decision as we don't live in a police state. It was an operational police decision.I agree most will be marching for a ceasefire however I think it’s fair to say there will be a (possibly substantial) minority that will be anti Israel and then a smaller minority anti semite
I’d have a lot more respect if those marching for a ceasefire were also targeting hamas and the release of the hostages, albeit they’re even less likely to listen to someone in london on a Saturday afternoon than the Israeli government. That’s what a real peace march would look like though. Anyone who does, full respect as there won’t ever be a proper ceasefire/resolution without positive actions in these areas as well
ps Sunak was obviously right to let the marches go ahead. It’s peoples democratic right in this country as long as they remain peaceful and aren’t a threat to others
Sorry, I was told to be careful about jumping on social media bandwagons about this one. Assumed you’d seen it in person.
Nope. I don't see how I can have any influence on that though.They aren't though are they.
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Has there been any evidence to support that?Barely any trouble due to safety in numbers is the reality. There's an awful lot of hate at these 'peace' marches.
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So at least we agreed it's a completely one sided pro Palestine march at very best.Nope. I don't see how I can have any influence on that though.
If there was one I would totally back it.
The implication here that the pro-ceasefire protestors generally condone Hamas and the taking of hostages is just bizarre.
I think that’s exactly what these pro-ceasefire marches are all about - I’m not sure what else you think they’re for.
Couldn't the same be labelled at football matches?Barely any trouble due to safety in numbers is the reality. There's an awful lot of hate at these 'peace' marches.
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