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It might be, but Mr Netanyahu famously threatened 'war' against New Zealand for daring to condemn illegal settlements in the West Bank. If he does that for calling a crime a crime...
It might be, but Mr Netanyahu famously threatened 'war' against New Zealand for daring to condemn illegal settlements in the West Bank. If he does that for calling a crime a crime...Well no you said “far right western leaders might agree with me” - they all do including Keir Starmer as an opposition leader - excluding Norway - every EU country leader agrees with me
That’s correct isn’t it?
I don't see a single person here pleased with the attacks.I do wonder why this discussion seems so out of step with every western leaders views on this atrocity and now are aligned with Putin against Israel
Very odd
Me!Who's backing Hamas on here?
I do wonder why this discussion seems so out of step with every western leaders views on this atrocity and now are aligned with Putin against Israel
Very odd
I’m a tad perplexed by the bias that media shows. Not the narrative about the attack on Iseael territory, but more so the assumption that ‘we’ are on Israel’s side. Whenever coverage of the Gaza people it is usually of a wailing woman saying that Israel is killing them. This feeds into the narrative that they are liars.I'm going to try and be careful what I say, but after this weekends events I decided that I want to know more about the conflict and its history. I've tended to steer well clear of having any sort of an opinion whatsoever, and maybe SBT isn't the best place to learn about the conflict, but I think sometimes it's actually easier to get an unbiased view from individuals.
There are a few things that have simply dumbfounded me over this weekends events.
1. So far, 700 Israelis have lost their lives and 400 Palestinians (from what I've read). A large amount of these are innocent citizens both side of the border. I know Hamas have been the aggressors on this occasion, but how can you be deemed a terrorist organisation when you kill hundreds of innocent people on one side, but just "the government" on the other side? I appreciate the irony with U.S. and British governments history on foreign soil.
2. Why are multiple government, and public, buildings being illuminated with the flags and colours of Israel? Hundreds of innocent lives were lost in both Israel and Gaza, so why are the lives of a certain group of people being prioritised as, what appears to be, more of a tragedy?
3. What's up with the clearly pro-Israel bias in the UK papers? There doesn't even appear to be any attempt at impartiality. The Independent has an article giving the Israeli ambassador to the UK a platform, where she asks Britain to stand with Israel against the "evil brutality" of Hamas. But the Israeli government has literally just murdered hundreds of innocent Palestinians when it wasn't actually necessary to do so, and the article only speaks of the death toll in Israel.
Again, I have no interest in starting some kind of political argument, and I understand the concept of antisemitism. I have no interest in bashing Israelis, who have suffered the worst tragedy in their communities in Israel over the weekend. But it does appear to me that there are 2 sets of innocent victims in this story.
I do wonder why this discussion seems so out of step with every western leaders views on this atrocity and now are aligned with Putin against Israel
Very odd
Becoming increasingly less so.Israel is a democratic state it’s not a rogue state - what tripe
Both sides have committed, and continue to commit, appalling atrocities against civilians.
Israel have bigger numbers and bigger backing so have the capability to cause mass destruction and murder on a horrendous scale.
But really both sides are just awful.
You do realise that Wagner are a proscribed terrorist organisation? Yet you keep saying you have no interest in what they do in Ukraine?You do realise the only major countries that don’t view Hamas as a terror organisation are Russia and China
Which democratic countries - other than I think Norway strangely - oppose my opinion?
Who are the both sides you're referring to?
Well your views on Ukraine are out of step with every Western leader.I do wonder why this discussion seems so out of step with every western leaders views on this atrocity and now are aligned with Putin against Israel
Very odd
Palestinian territory – encompassing the Gaza Strip and West Bank, including East Jerusalem – has been illegally occupied by Israel since 1967.
The United Nations classifies Israel as an occupier state over the Palestinian territories, whose occupations and annexations following the 1967 Six-Day War remain in violation of international law.
Israel has launched four protracted military assaults on Gaza: in 2008, 2012, 2014 and 2021. Thousands of Palestinians have been killed, including many children, and tens of thousands of homes, schools and office buildings have been destroyed.
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Doesn’t make him wrong though. The things he said are facts. As inconvenient as you find that they are facts. If you could dispute them you wouldn’t be making it personal.You openly have supported the IRA on here
Doesn’t make him wrong though. The things he said are facts. As inconvenient as you find that they are facts. If you could dispute them you wouldn’t be making it personal.
Yeah, again. What he has stated on this subject is facts. His opinion on other subjects doesn’t alter that.Yes he is the voice of reason.
Anjem Choudary due to be released from prison
Anyone for crowd funding someone to attend his meetings and laugh at loud. It's hard to be taken seriously if you're continually ridiculed. Or maybe someone with a tuba playing the Laurel and Hardy tune every time he walked down the street.www.skybluestalk.co.uk
They all signed a declaration but more goes into that than opinion. Was not referring to Hamas when I said that moreso your right wing views.Er they all signed a declaration that Hamas is a terrorist organisation and the rest of the Middle East and Russia and China didn’t? What are you on about?
They all signed a declaration but more goes into that than opinion. Was not referring to Hamas when I said that moreso your right wing views.
Of course. It's the same with Ukraine. We don't have the answer and sadly there probably isn't even one.Come on. At the end of the day we are just posters on a football forum. None of us have the answer here.
Absolutely shit show from both sides over there.
Openly? Please enlighten me.You openly have supported the IRA on here
It’s not all black and white. There’s pressure to back them and there’s serious fall back if they don’t. Look at Iran for example. Shit is bad over there mainly due to their opposition to the US.Do all EU countries support Israel and consider Hamas terrorists - yes or no?
They all support Ukraine and consider the Wagner Group to be terrorists. So it's a strange line of defence for you to use now.Do all EU countries support Israel and consider Hamas terrorists - yes or no?
You have to be jokingIt’s not all black and white. There’s pressure to back them and there’s serious fall back if they don’t. Look at Iran for example. Shit is bad over there mainly due to their opposition to the US.
It’s not all black and white. There’s pressure to back them and there’s serious fall back if they don’t. Look at Iran for example. Shit is bad over there mainly due to their opposition to the US.
Enlighten meYou have to be joking
China and Russia are world powers, they can afford to piss of the US, if any smaller country they have an interest in go against them they ruin their economy. Please use common sense man.what are you on about - China and Russia back your mates Hamas own it
Can you give one who doesn't oppose the Russian invasion of Ukraine?I would like a poster on here to show me one western leader that opposes Israel - can someone, anyone do that or this thread is a bit silly isn’t it?
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