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Shudder.
Shudder.Webster and Seabourne at the back.
And an attack containing Wilson, Baker, Moussa and Clark and with Christi at full back and Murphy in goal. A team that he partly dismantled himself for "footballing reasons."The fact is the season panned out exactly as Presley's did at sixfields and Mowbray didn't start with a ten point reduction.
Both were similar in terms of overall contribution and Pressley did it with Webster and Seabourne at the back.
From the 21st November when we beat Gillingham he won:
8 with us that season (November to April in 28 games)
0 the following season (August to Sept in 10 games)
5 for Blackburn last season in 15 games
13 wins out of 53 games.
Nah, the people with sense cba to chip in now. Mowbray fluffed promotion even though he had the best squad relatively in years. End of. Fact.I agree saying reda injury prone is not a reason to diss mowbray
Everyone starting to agree with me now. Always happens eventually
The season panned out with 8th place. Pressley didnt do that. The end
Please no more lies. Very Desperate
Recruited that team. If hes to blame for poor hes also to praise for good. Got us best finish in 10 years. And his players won the cup year later.Nah, the people with sense cba to chip in now. Mowbray fluffed promotion even though he had the best squad relatively in years. End of. Fact.
Where would they have finished without the ten point reduction? Answer 9th so as I say very similar.
Jimmy Saville was a mate of yours, was he?Recruited that team. If hes to blame for poor hes also to praise for good. Got us best finish in 10 years. And his players won the cup year later.
End of. Fact. I.d.s.t
Grasping now. Can only go by facts. We didnt finish 8th or even near. If we start saying what if we can bring up anythinf after all.
Without the 10 point reduction that is the true position which is why their management records statistically are very very similar
I inderstabs your point g but Without deduction may have been more pressure on players to finish top 6 and could have lost all our games etc
Too many variables.
What has that got to do with pts deductions?
The fact he went on a win streak shows hes not a bottler as we could have made playoffs right up until penultimate week because of that run
Besides does not change the point at hand. Fall away bottle mess up whsyeve ru wanna say. Best league finish in 10 years. 1 of our better managers.
You promised me faithfully that you were never going to mention TM again...:yawn:thats not what i said at all is it? in fact my first sentence was no doubt he messed up.
now everyone is lauding jones but they dont want to say good signing because they only want to focus on negative recruitment.
As mentioned both Vincelot and Stokes did play centre half that season so did cover that position when needed. Surely you can only criticise if the players brought in were not very good. I think with regard to the centre half position only Ramage could be said to have failed. He either already had cover for Johnson or brought in cover quickly almost all of which was successful. (As in good players doing a good job)Why didn't he play Stokes or Vincelot in centre half as cover then?
How many of those were planned cover and how many were rush panics?
As mentioned both Vincelot and Stokes did play centre half that season so did cover that position when needed. Surely you can only criticise if the players brought in were not very good. I think with regard to the centre half position only Ramage could be said to have failed. He either already had cover for Johnson or brought in cover quickly almost all of which was successful. (As in good players doing a good job)
Your point was there was no plan B for Johnson being injured. My point was that this was not the case shown by the cover already at the club and by the signings made that season. Four season ending injuries to four good centre halves and he still had contingencies in place.So if it was successful why are you going on about it not being Mowbray's fault because of injures to Johnson?
Vincelot played about 3 games while Mowbray tried a formation out at the end of the season didn't he? Why didn't he just slot him in there as soon as Johnson got injured.
Nah, the people with sense cba to chip in now. Mowbray fluffed promotion even though he had the best squad relatively in years. End of. Fact.
Your point was there was no plan B for Johnson being injured. My point was that this was not the case shown by the cover already at the club and by the signings made that season. Four season ending injuries to four good centre halves and he still had contingencies in place.
We weren't relegated that season, we finished eighth. You said we had no cover for Johnson, we had 9 centre backs or players who could play there over the course of the season yet you say he was obsessed with strikers instead of looking at cover for centre half. We had nine players who could play centre half, only Ramage was poor. Four of those players had injuries that ended their season, should Mowbray have planned for such bad luck?No, they were panic loans and it wasn't successful else we wouldn't have been relegated and people wouldn't have been using that.
For straight up CBs we had Martin and Johnson, yes Ricketts and Willis could cover there if needed but they mainly played Right Back first choice.
Even Slade did better bringing in an emergency defender than Ramage.
Sorry yes, dropped down the table. The season after was when we needed defenders but he had wingers on trial.We weren't relegated that season, we finished eighth. You said we had no cover for Johnson, we had 9 centre backs or players who could play there over the course of the season yet you say he was obsessed with strikers instead of looking at cover for centre half. We had nine players who could play centre half, only Ramage was poor. Four of those players had injuries that ended their season, should Mowbray have planned for such bad luck?
You say the loans were panic loans which suggests you don't think they were very good. We loaned Turner, Cargill and Stevens. Who out of those three was poor?
I would have thought that as signings, Clark, Foley, Folivi and the guy from Derby are on a par with Ramage with regard to the impact they made.
Just answering the comment that he had no plan B. You lose 4 good centre halves in a season it is hard to cover which is the point Mowbray was making.Sorry yes, dropped down the table. The season after was when we needed defenders but he had wingers on trial.
Clark wasn't the best, but better than ramage was.
If Mowbray had such a great defence and such great cover, why are both you and him using it as an excuse?
Just answering the comment that he had no plan B. You lose 4 good centre halves in a season it is hard to cover which is the point Mowbray was making.
Not a problem. Just disagreeing with the point you made.But you are saying he covered it perfectly well with good players so what's the problem?
Maddison, Cole, Murphy, Kent, Armstrong, Vincelot, Fleck. Plus quite a lot of depth in other positions. So much talent there. Absolutely wasted in the end.
Without the 10 point reduction that is the true position which is why their management records statistically are very very similar
Can't believe I'm going to agree with cc4l, but I do have to say Mowbray does deserve some credit for what he did.
He deserves criticism for his recruitment last year of course he does, but he doesn't deserve half the shit he gets from some people.
As CC4L has said he achieved our best finish in 10 years and he played the best football for us in a long time. Yes we were in a good position for 3/4 months of the season and the fact we let that slip is disappointing but, he's the one that got us there, he's the one that built that team.
Last year was a shambles, but he had his budget slashed, and yes maybe he wasn't wrong for aiming too high in terms of players, he took a gamble and it failed, but he didn't sit there and steal a living, he knew he couldn't do anymore with the squad and had the balls to leave without pay and give someone else a shot. I have no doubt if robins had been approached then, he would have kept us up as he seemed to be able to get more out of the players than Mowbray or anybody else last season.
No not one of our better managers as you have to weigh up;
Management experience
League the club is in
Relative resources against competition
On your argument Adams is the best manager we've had since John Sillett - clearly better than Mowbray - and robins will be better than Sillett if we finish higher than 8th
It's juvenile and simplistic
beast who was integral to winning first silverware in 30 years. what did martin do for cov?
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