Judicial review day 3 - judgement day (17 Viewers)

Deleted member 5849 said:

I know it's a paradoxical thing to say as I think the forum's daft anyway... but surely, *surely* they have to rearrange it now for after the verdict?!?

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You would think so NW, and I agree with you I think the forum is pretty pointless too. However I accept that some see it as a step to transparency by all sides - I just feel they will be disappointed.

So, can Sisu legally say anything related to the case in public before the judge announces his decision?

Might there have been things they were planning to say, that they now can't while the judgement is outstanding?

Deleted member 5849 said:

Government expects places like the Herbert to pay its way, but won't allow it to spend money on risk.

So it's stuck between being limited in what it can do, and being ordered to try and make a return on that with one hand tied behind its back; the worst of all worlds!

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It was certainly the worst of dino worlds.

Otis said:

It was certainly the worst of dino worlds.

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Is it?

This is a cracker:

http://www.genesisexpo.co.uk/

ah 3 weeks...should have known.

covcity4life said:

ah 3 weeks...should have known.

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Should give us just enough time to watch England get to the round of 16 then get knocked out, then quick court date and before you know it, it's pre-season.

What other team gives you year round entertainment?

Can we please amend the misleading thread title


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Jack Griffin said:

Is it?

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Now that really gets my goat.

Simon G just tweeted he has interviewed Mark L, so SISU PR machine is up & running.. article soon...

So did anyone figure out what the "wait until the JR" brigade was expecting to see from this? From what I've read on the proceedings there has been no bombshell(s).

Have I missed something or where they just taking in by spin?

skybluetony176 said:

So did anyone figure out what the "wait until the JR" brigade was expecting to see from this? From what I've read on the proceedings there has been no bombshell(s).

Have I missed something or where they just taking in by spin?

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Who said there would be? Apart from RFC?

Nick said:

Who said there would be? Apart from RFC?

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Mark Labovich?

Nick said:

Who said there would be? Apart from RFC?

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Weren't fisher and labovitch big users of the 'this is why we're having the judicial review so things can be out in open for everyone to decide'

Well it's for the judge to decide based on the evidence and the submissions and from what I've read, I can't see how sisu can win this?

Deleted member 5849 said:

This is a cracker:

http://www.genesisexpo.co.uk/

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Unbelievable!

Nick said:

Who said there would be? Apart from RFC?

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Loads. I was talking in general not in the context of this site. Facebook, Radio, second rate online fans forum and not to mention ML.

From what I can see sisu's case is basically what ML has been saying in interviews (excluding the bits he was misquoted on) he's always given the impression (quite deliberately in my opinion) that it will all come out in the JR so we'll have to wait and see.

I'm still waiting. Unless someone can point out what I've missed.

AJB1983 said:

Weren't fisher and labovitch big users of the 'this is why we're having the judicial review so things can be out in open for everyone to decide'

Well it's for the judge to decide based on the evidence and the submissions and from what I've read, I can't see how sisu can win this?

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:thinking about:I think TF and ML were, yes, just like the official CCFC website that stated:

'The Judicial Review is expected to last three days and the club will publish court transcripts and the key points from the case at the end of each day.

These transcripts, which will include the arguments from both the club and the council, will be un-edited in order for fans to get a clear understanding of the facts which will be presented throughout the Judicial Review.'

Instead we have got 'key facts', supposedly written by CCFC employee Crowley.......so no bias there then

Right ... Back to the World Cup!!!!

TheRoyalScam said:

:thinking about:I think TF and ML were, yes, just like the official CCFC website that stated:

'The Judicial Review is expected to last three days and the club will publish court transcripts and the key points from the case at the end of each day.

These transcripts, which will include the arguments from both the club and the council, will be un-edited in order for fans to get a clear understanding of the facts which will be presented throughout the Judicial Review.'

Instead we have got 'key facts', supposedly written by CCFC employee Crowley.......so no bias there then

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So yet another blatant lie that banks on us, the supporters, being as thick as pigshit.

It's one of the things that pisses me off about this whole saga, the level of contempt the likes of fisher and labovitch have shown the fans. Treating us like mugs, like a lesser species whilst they pick up their £50k a month or whatever it is they're being paid.

martcov said:

Unbelievable!

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Believable I'm afraid. In the USA bible belt they have exhibits of white humans co-existing happily with dinosaurs. All three major religions believe in Creationism - Judaism and Islam denounce Evolution.

They mat still be published.

Am also at a loss as to what has come out of significance.

Same old same old.

TheRoyalScam said:

Believable I'm afraid. In the USA bible belt they have exhibits of white humans co-existing happily with dinosaurs. All three major religions believe in Creationism - Judaism and Islam denounce Evolution.

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Maybe so...

But that one's in Portsmouth!

AJB1983 said:

Weren't fisher and labovitch big users of the 'this is why we're having the judicial review so things can be out in open for everyone to decide'

Well it's for the judge to decide based on the evidence and the submissions and from what I've read, I can't see how sisu can win this?

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I think it could go either way on the point of law.

What I don't see is what sisu or more importantly the club will gain. The misnomer that this was going to be a big PR win for sisu in the battle for the Ricoh hasn't happened IMO. Nothing has been said that hasn't already been said, on top of that the judge is now going to dismiss some of what has been said for not being factual or relevant so the waters are being un-muddied, smoke screens are being blown away. Which is good for us I guess but from sisu's POV it seems to have weakened their case to the fans. I suppose you could take that as confirmation that we really don't figure in this where they're concerned, if you wanted to.

Sky Blue Dal said:

It all depends on the Judges decision. But I must point out that on the State Aid guidance and on there flow chart, the clearly states the importance of notifying the EC if there is any State Aid above 200,000 Euro's, which this was.

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They have to prove it was state aid first and the EC will not call it in just because you say it is state aid. Every one is waiting for a Judge to make that ruling.

TheRoyalScam said:

Believable I'm afraid. In the USA bible belt they have exhibits of white humans co-existing happily with dinosaurs. All three major religions believe in Creationism - Judaism and Islam denounce Evolution.

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Of course dinosaurs co-existed with humans, Sepp Blatter, need I say more!

CCFC website says full transcripts up tomorrow...

AJB1983 said:

CCFC website says full transcripts up tomorrow...

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Agreed - better late than never.....

However I was referring to this: http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/...ity-coventry-city-council-090614-1627694.aspx

Well we all knew if would never be a quick decision where ccfc are concerned.

without going over 45 pages of stuff, and without pretending im a super lawyer, could anybody tell me who appears to be in the best position to win this please?

I've managed to catch up with the rest of the thread and there's a few things to add.

Procedure for judgement:
I will be made to both sides next week so they can go over the document and offer corrections (e.g. spellings, references etc. NOT to any statements or the judgment itself). It will then be given publicly in court the week of 30 June (so I assume it could be by Fri 4 July although more likely by the Thu as judges don't like to work on a Friday it seems). This is because this is the next time that the judge will be in Birmingham and officially, the judgment has to be given in the court but it will have been made by next week – but not publicly so we won't know for a while.

Transcripts:
I got people to check and they will be going out later today once released by the court. I think the intention was to try and get them released each day but this was either overlooked or not allowed. (I can check which if anyone cares enough although I'd rather not have to.)

THE JUDGENING!™
Someone who called the Higgs v Sisu result correctly was asked what they thought for this one. Basic answer: It's state aid no matter what happened with rent strikes, valuations and so forth. Make of that what you will. Personally I have no idea.

From chatting to a few of the legal folks at the end, they independently pointed out that the judge was making statements and using language like 'I put it to you...' when he should be more questioning. Apparently this can be common as judges will still use their legal experience from the time before they crossed from bar to bench, although this judge is one of only 4 in the country who had been a solicitor before rather than a QC / barrister.

Didn't have a chance for much more than casual chats with folks after and all sides disappeared off for confabs with their legal teams. Personally I'll be having a bit of a rest and some beers and footie (I vaguely remember what that is) later and then looking into how we can get some f'in negotiations going to bring us home.

Some good debate, banter and quality humour on here so hats off to all no matter what your view on the whole thing. It's kept me sane throughout some fairly tedious courtroom business

halftimebovril said:

without going over 45 pages of stuff, and without pretending im a super lawyer, could anybody tell me who appears to be in the best position to win this please?

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lawyers

halftimebovril said:

without going over 45 pages of stuff, and without pretending im a super lawyer, could anybody tell me who appears to be in the best position to win this please?

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The lawyers getting £600ph?

I imagine a few people will be sweating like Rolf Harris when his daughter brings her mates home for tea until the judgement is made.

so what have i missed , can somebody give me the lowdown as 46 pages when 2 little ones are running around me feet is hard lol, did sisu lose

Evans1883 said:

so what have i missed , can somebody give me the lowdown as 46 pages when 2 little ones are running around me feet is hard lol, did sisu lose

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Get 'em trained up as lawyers & they can help..

LOL, anyway.. there was a big argument & no one is sure who won, Lord Justice Hickinbottom will tell us sometime in the week commencing 30th June.