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Kevin Malaga placed on transfer list (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Oct 4, 2012
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Grendel

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  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #106
SkyBlueMania said:
Seeing him play in pre-season....can you not read?
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Ah ok. I assumed you missed some parts of your post out. So you've never seen him in training, never seen him in interaction with the squad but you have seen him against Hinckley...or was it Nuneaton?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #107
StevieM said:
Waggott would have sealed the three year deal for Malaga not Thorn, yet another example of his shrewedness in the negotiating department:jerkit:
Throughout the Sheff Utd game, Shaw was bollocking Malaga for his positioning, holding the line even, natural basics for a defender but obviously these attributes not in Malagas toolkit.
Yes he did look good in the opposition penalty area but we signed him as a CB not a CF.
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So Waggott signed him. He oversaw the trial and training not the manager? Of course he did. What did thorn do then? Dress in a beret and striped jumper to seal the deal?
 

SkyBlueMania

New Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #108
Grendel said:
Ah ok. I assumed you missed some parts of your post out. So you've never seen him in training, never seen him in interaction with the squad but you have seen him against Hinckley...or was it Nuneaton?
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No I've never seen him in training, no I've never seen him on a night out interacting with the squad. I'm basing my opinion off the guy being a competent CB, as most people do, on the basis of him performing well in that position in the games I saw him play. Why the hell would I judge him on his training or interactions?!
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #109
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
But you'd conclude it was worth writing him off after seeing what? 5 games?
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Suppose makes as much sense as people acclaiming him as a great player without actually seeing him play.

Which, to be fair, was done with virtually all the new signings before they'd started.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #110
skybluegod said:
he's played what like 6 league games and you want him gone? unlike malaga jennings has played at a decent level and speaks english
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No he doesn't, he's a scouser!
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #111
Grendel said:
So Waggott signed him. He oversaw the trial and training not the manager? Of course he did. What did thorn do then? Dress in a beret and striped jumper to seal the deal?
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Here comes Grenduffy yet again to defend the record of Waggott The Innocent, in stark contrast to the myopic slander afforded Thorn.

We're all still awaiting your narrative on the 'great job' he did at Charlton too; just as he steered the ship that took them down. Are you his press agent? Or his Mum
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #112
lordsummerisle said:
Suppose makes as much sense as people acclaiming him as a great player without actually seeing him play.

Which, to be fair, was done with virtually all the new signings before they'd started.
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Some people, just maybe, might have watched him play in Scotland or the Champions League and made an informed decision on his qualities, couldn't they?
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #113
Grendel said:
What did thorn do then? Dress in a beret and striped jumper to seal the deal?
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With a ring of onions round his neck, whilst playing a hand organ singing Je 'taime in a husky voice.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #114
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Some people, just maybe, might have watched him play in Scotland or the Champions League and made an informed decision on his qualities, couldn't they?
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Who saw him in the Champions League then?
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #115
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Here comes Grenduffy yet again to defend the record of Waggott The Innocent, in stark contrast to the myopic slander afforded Thorn.

We're all still awaiting your narrative on the 'great job' he did at Charlton too; just as he steered the ship that took them down. Are you his press agent? Or his Mum
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He probably is, Mrs Thorn.

Is Waggott this years "small wage-bill"?
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #116
Why are people trying to lay blame !!
Even the top clubs can spend 20 million on a player and it still doesn't work out.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #117
sky blue john said:
Why are people trying to lay blame !!
Even the top clubs can spend 20 million on a player and it still doesn't work out.
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The top clubs can afford to.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #118
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Here comes Grenduffy yet again to defend the record of Waggott The Innocent, in stark contrast to the myopic slander afforded Thorn.

We're all still awaiting your narrative on the 'great job' he did at Charlton too; just as he steered the ship that took them down. Are you his press agent? Or his Mum
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I wonder worry too much about Malaga MMM. He can now go and join the Premier League team that were after him. He can link up with Alex Nimeley. Perhaps your friend Thorn is there as well.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #119
lordsummerisle said:
The top clubs can afford to.
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Malaga didn't cost 20m!

Regardless of who you are, you make mistakes in the transfer market!
 
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SkyBlue Baker96

Guest
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #120
I'm kinda surprised at this but at the same time I'd rather Cameron, wood, edge and brown be picked before him, Brown has been very average for us since he has came, but he obviously has a talent because he's in sir Alex's plans.. he just needs to find it again, maybe It's the fact none of the players have confidence, but either way I'd prefer it wood and Cameron the starting pair, never been this excited for a player to come back from injury haha, also Thomas and Bell? I have a funny feeling Thomas might be loaned out, robins has said more people will follow Malaga, makes me wonder who's in his plans and not...
 
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DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe

New Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #121
You know we are still not doing well when an innocuous thread about a newly transfer listed player, moves through people voicing their opinions on said player, through to thinly veiled pops at one another, past the blame game for said signing, and back to the same old bollocks once more.
 

SydneySkyBlue

Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #122
Well, after this lofty assumption I imagine he was slightly disheartened:

"“Over in France, we had a stadium of around 17,000 and the average crowd was 7,000 so this is going to be very different. It is very exciting.”

:claping hands:
 
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psgm1

Banned
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #123
When I watched him against Hinckley, it was blatantly obvious that he was not up to the task asked of him - decidedly poor. At that time I believe he was on trial. How on earth a supposedly skilled scout could sign such a useless player is beyond me.

I just get the feeling Thorn got the word that SISU were going to ditch him, and just couldn;t be bothered anymore. Certainly With the excpetion of McGoldrick (he came just after he left), none have exactly shone in terms of ability.

Why on earth SISU didn't just ditch him in may - rather than pat out on a year's salary.

How can these clowns be allowed to get their grubby little claws on the ricoh - utter madness
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #124
Grendel said:
So Waggott signed him. He oversaw the trial and training not the manager? Of course he did. What did thorn do then? Dress in a beret and striped jumper to seal the deal?
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He authorised handing a 3 year contract to a player recommended by a manager who he and Timmy had major reservations over. Allowing Thorn the pre-season was a big mistake and letting him sign so many players when his job security was low was even worse.
 
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DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe

New Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #125
Just to clarify, you are basing your entire opinion of him on his first 45 minutes of football in England in a friendly against a non-League team (which we won 0-8 and he apparently won every header that came his way)?
 

SydneySkyBlue

Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #126
DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe said:
You know we are still not doing well when an innocuous thread about a newly transfer listed player, moves through people voicing their opinions on said player, through to thinly veiled pops at one another, past the blame game for said signing, and back to the same old bollocks once more.
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Ginettas' law:
As an SBT discussion grows longer, the probability of an attack on Andy Thorn approaches.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #127
psgm1 said:
When I watched him against Hinckley, it was blatantly obvious that he was not up to the task asked of him - decidedly poor. At that time I believe he was on trial. How on earth a supposedly skilled scout could sign such a useless player is beyond me.

I just get the feeling Thorn got the word that SISU were going to ditch him, and just couldn;t be bothered anymore. Certainly With the excpetion of McGoldrick (he came just after he left), none have exactly shone in terms of ability.

Why on earth SISU didn't just ditch him in may - rather than pat out on a year's salary.

How can these clowns be allowed to get their grubby little claws on the ricoh - utter madness
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I'm sure he signed before the Hinckely game pretty much after his first training session
 
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DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe

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  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #128
GinettasStickySofa said:
Ginettas' law:
As an SBT discussion grows longer, the probability of an attack on Andy Thorn approaches.
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Let's just see how Thorn the great Scout does when he is managing in the Premiership (copy and paste ad infinitum).
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #129
GinettasStickySofa said:
Ginettas' law:
As an SBT discussion grows longer, the probability of an attack on Andy Thorn approaches.
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Guess Andy wasn't very 'Andy.
 

Gaz

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #130
Not really surprised by this, my opinion is that Malaga isn't really that good and i'd much rather have Cameron in the team.
This just shows what a poor decision it was by our owners not to give what little funds we had to the manager we were going to stick with or have for this season.
 
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DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe

New Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #131
gaz said:
Not really surprised by this, my opinion is that Malaga isn't really that good and i'd much rather have Cameron in the team.
This just shows what a poor decision it was by our owners not to give what little funds we had to the manager we were going to stick with or have for this season.
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Agreed. Stick with Thorn beyond three games this season or sack him in the close season and let the new man bring in players he wants. Didn't ever appear to be rocket science.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #132
DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe said:
Agreed. Stick with Thorn beyond three games this season or sack him in the close season and let the new man bring in players he wants. Didn't ever appear to be rocket science.
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I think he should have been sacked long before the end of last season, but didn't happen.

Imagine the scenario though:

Thorn sacked at the end of the season, new manager given the same amount of funds that Thorn had in the close season.

Cue outrage of "Why was Thorn not allowed to stay, with this backing he'd have had us walking the League, and would have signed much better players than this French nobody and the other load of wasters, such as Jennings, Barton, Ball, Elliott etc."
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #133
lordsummerisle said:
I think he should have been sacked long before the end of last season, but didn't happen.

Imagine the scenario though:

Thorn sacked at the end of the season, new manager given the same amount of funds that Thorn had in the close season.

Cue outrage of "Why was Thorn not allowed to stay, with this backing he'd have had us walking the League, and would have signed much better players than this French nobody and the other load of wasters, such as Jennings, Barton, Ball, Elliott etc."
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Don't be ludicrous, we all know Fergie couldn't do any better.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #134
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Don't be ludicrous, we all know Fergie couldn't do any better.
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Come on that's not fair. Fergie, Wenger and the special one together couldn't have done any better.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #135
Grendel said:
Come on that's not fair. Fergie, Wenger and the special one together couldn't have done any better.
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Now you're insulting Thorn by even comparing him to such dross.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #136
Grendel said:
I wonder worry too much about Malaga MMM. He can now go and join the Premier League team that were after him. He can link up with Alex Nimeley. Perhaps your friend Thorn is there as well.
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I imagine that he has been in talks with a top club since he got sacked, would anyone really be surprised? He is one of, if not the next top upcoming manager and his style of football would only suit a top, top team.

Expect to see Thorn, Malaga & Nimley together in the Champions League in a couple of years, I am just glad he was here and left us with a team of gems to be proud of.
 
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StevieM

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #137
StevieM said:
Waggott would have sealed the three year deal for Malaga not Thorn, yet another example of his shrewedness in the negotiating department:jerkit:
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Obviously Thorn identified the player, but as Director of Football, then Waggott would I presume negotiate with the player and his agent over any contractual details which would be the length of contract,wages and bonus payments.
Thorn wouldn't be controlling the purse strings as I'm sure Robins isn't either.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #138
GinettasStickySofa said:
Ginettas' law:
Do a massive U-turn on an opinion when it suits you...then hope everyone forgets said previous opinion
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #139
StevieM said:
Obviously Thorn identified the player, but as Director of Football, then Waggott would I presume negotiate with the player and his agent over any contractual details which would be the length of contract,wages and bonus payments.
Thorn wouldn't be controlling the purse strings as I'm sure Robins isn't either.
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But if the manager says he is the player I want and I want him long term Waggot has to trust the manager. Admittedly he and Fisher are on thin ice as it took them 3 weeks to realise they had backed a dud having seemingly had amnesia as to the farce that happened the pior year.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2012
  • #140
Sick Boy said:
I imagine that he has been in talks with a top club since he got sacked, would anyone really be surprised? He is one of, if not the next top upcoming manager and his style of football would only suit a top, top team.

Expect to see Thorn, Malaga & Nimley together in the Champions League in a couple of years, I am just glad he was here and left us with a team of gems to be proud of.
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Vilanova was the Barca board's second choice to replace Guardiola, we all know that. I blame Waggott really, denying Thorn the Nou Camp is what derailed his scouting ability and landed us in this predicament.
 
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