Kevin Malaga placed on transfer list (2 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Obviously Thorn identified the player, but as Director of Football, then Waggott would I presume negotiate with the player and his agent over any contractual details which would be the length of contract,wages and bonus payments.
Thorn wouldn't be controlling the purse strings as I'm sure Robins isn't either.

If he had turned out to be a quality player Thorn would have been lauded for offering a 3 year contract.

What was Thorn actually supposed to be responsible for?

 

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[Grendel]

Vilanova was the Barca board's second choice to replace Guardiola, we all know that. I blame Waggott really, denying Thorn the Nou Camp is what derailed his scouting ability and landed us in this predicament.

Shame on Platt as well. Thorn had him lined up as his flagship signing. He'd show them spaniards a thing or two about total football.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If he had turned out to be a quality player Thorn would have been lauded for offering a 3 year contract.

What was Thorn actually supposed to be responsible for?

Providing elocution lessons to Carl Baker.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Shame on Platt as well. Thorn had him lined up as his flagship signing. He'd show them spaniards a thing or two about total football.

It'd then be a double whammy-letting the cockney Ferguson jump ship and then lose the best target man since Nat Lofthouse on a free. Waggott couldn't take the risk.

 

[Sick Boy]

Vilanova was the Barca board's second choice to replace Guardiola, we all know that. I blame Waggott really, denying Thorn the Nou Camp is what derailed his scouting ability and landed us in this predicament.

They really are so evil, aren't they?

I am just hope that they haven't ruined his managerial career before it has even had the chance to touch other people's lives and revolutionise English football.

 

[Grendel]

What was Thorn actually supposed to be responsible for?

Unfortunately he was responsible for an awful lot and a season will be wasted because of it.

 

[Gaz]

Fairly sad how most threads seem to end up on here now days with the same select few mumbling on and on with the same point.

Just .. Let ... It .. Go

 

[Grendel]

Fairly sad how most threads seem to end up on here now days with the same select few mumbling on and on with the same point.

Just .. Let ... It .. Go

I know. People should just accept Clive "goals are my middle name" Platt just isn't coming back.

GSS - let it go.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Fairly sad how most threads seem to end up on here now days with the same select few mumbling on and on with the same point.

Just .. Let ... It .. Go

A player signed in the summer on a long-ish deal is being transfer listed just months after signing; some blame the man who sanctioned the deal, others blame the one who recommended him after a 'thorough' scouting process. Thorn is thus relevant to the debate.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I know. People should just accept Clive "goals are my middle name" Platt just isn't coming back.

GSS - let it go.

7 goals in 67 appearances. That puts him alongside Emile Heskey's ratio for England or Kevin Kyle's for us a few years ago-a true hall of fame if ever there was one.

 

[Sick Boy]

Fairly sad how most threads seem to end up on here now days with the same select few mumbling on and on with the same point.

Just .. Let ... It .. Go

I am certain you are including those who try to divert all blame away from our mate Thorny as well?

 

[Gaz]

A player signed in the summer on a long-ish deal is being transfer listed just months after signing; some blame the man who sanctioned the deal, others blame the one who recommended him after a 'thorough' scouting process. Thorn is thus relevant to the debate.

Maybe Robins feels he doesn't need anymore centre backs and could use the wages better in his team for another position, or maybe Malaga is the one who doesn't speak English that well so he would be best to leave.
There is allways other reasons why he is on the transfer list.

 

[Gaz]

I am certain you are including those who try to divert all blame away from our mate Thorny as well?

If you are certain, then why ask the question. ?
Though since you ask, I could answer your question by drawing you a pretty picture using some of your Crayola crayons if you like ?

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

We simply can't say it's a daft decision without being in possession of all the facts.

Let's find out the reasons before jumping to conclusions. You're going to look pretty silly if a perfectly legitimate reason comes out as to why he's on his way out aren't you.

"Legitimate"? Well if it emerges that he's been beating up youth team members or is having an affair with another players wife, maybe then you could say that despite being the better footballer, he has to go. But rather than judge the situation on what we don't know, I do what a rational person would do and judge it on what we have seen. From what I've seen, I'd rather have Malaga than Wood or Brown. Just an opinion, nothing to do with "looking silly".


I trust that henceforth you won't be voicing your views on players in the future in case you "don't know the full picture" then, Otis?

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

It's just forming an opinion though without being in possession of the full facts.

Anytime a player is dropped I do wonder why, but would never say it was a daft decision because I don't see what the manager sees.

Simply wrong to say Malaga going on the transfer list is a daft decision without knowing anything at all as to what is going on behind the scenes.

Myself, I would like to see what the likes of Lynch has to say on the subject before even beginning to form any opinion whatsoever.

What, the guy who said Edge is dropped 'cos he can't speak English? You'd rather base your opinions on what some "insider" with no proven credentials says than form a judgement based on what you actually see with your own eyes? I'll take "looking silly" in your eyes any time, especially if it allows me to think for my self!

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Well if he's miles better than Wood I am sure a high ranking Championship club will be signing him in January.

Either that or he will be back in the French 5th division.

Time will tell.

A Championship club wouldn't touch Wood now with a fifty foot pole. Last time we asked around, Chesterfield showed interest...

 

[Grendel]

A Championship club wouldn't touch Wood now with a fifty foot pole. Last time we asked around, Chesterfield showed interest...

And as of yet we know not who will show interest with a player whose CV centres around the French 5th Division,

 

[Otis]

What, the guy who said Edge is dropped 'cos he can't speak English? You'd rather base your opinions on what some "insider" with no proven credentials says than form a judgement based on what you actually see with your own eyes? I'll take "looking silly" in your eyes any time, especially if it allows me to think for my self!

NTHWC, you're forming an opinion before the manager has even had chance to explain his decision. How can you say the decision is daft?

Could be a number of reasons.

1. Hasn't settled.

2. Not committed to the shirt (something Robbins said he'd be talking to every player about).

3. Can't fit into a man to man marking system (used to playing zonal marking, struggling to adapt).

4. Fall out.

5 .Disciplinary matter.

If you had inkling it was any of the reasons above would you say it was a 'daft decision?' Nope, course not. And how do you know it isn't one of the reasons above? Point is, none of us know. Might be a good idea to see what the manager says before jumping to conclusions.

And as for Lynch, haven't you just picked the one issue of contention? Didn't he get every other single thing he said right? (Kilbane at left back, Edge dropped, Fleck in midfield, Cody still on the bench etc. etc. etc.)

And if you read what I said, I said I would like to see what the likes of Lynch said before I even began to form any opinion.

Basically just saying I would like more info before even starting to form an opinion myself of what I feel.

At least let the manager come out and give his reason before coming out saying it's a daft decision.

 

[Grendel]

I think Non league thinks changing the manager was a daft decision so any of Robins early actions will be treated with suspicion.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Maybe Robins feels he doesn't need anymore centre backs and could use the wages better in his team for another position, or maybe Malaga is the one who doesn't speak English that well so he would be best to leave.
There is allways other reasons why he is on the transfer list.

I'm not questioning the transfer listing...

 

[Moff]

We should sign Des Walker based on the fact that he used to be good..Wood's a total liability, and one costing upwards of 10k per week at that. I can only think we're playing him to put him in the shop window-it's backfired, he's soiled goods!

I wouldnt write him off just yet, i mean a friend of mine told me there are sites on the internet wehere people pay good money for soiled goods

 

[torchomatic]

Not surprised in a way as he hasn't featured, but personally I thought he looked useful in the couple of games I saw him. Oh well. Who's next, I wonder?

 

[torchomatic]

I can give you the address of a good one. I mean, my friend can. Not me.

I wouldnt write him off just yet, i mean a friend of mine told me there are sites on the internet wehere people pay good money for soiled goods

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not surprised in a way as he hasn't featured, but personally I thought he looked useful in the couple of games I saw him. Oh well. Who's next, I wonder?

There's a thread devoted to that very question.

 

[Otis]

I wouldnt write him off just yet, i mean a friend of mine told me there are sites on the internet wehere people pay good money for soiled goods

Primark?

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

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[SkyBlueBlood]

Does this put Waggot's judgement in question as he did the deal?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Does this put Waggot's judgement in question as he did the deal?

He put trust in Thorn's judgement-you tell me who's more at fault?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Does this put Waggot's judgment in question as he did the deal?

No way! Not according to Grenduffy. And sacking the manager 3 games into the season? The was much better than after last season.

And when he was bought in to help Thorn in the transfer window and we signed less players than our relegation peers. That was a masterpiece too. Saved the training ground getting cluttered up with untidy players allowing Thorn the clarity to concentrate all his efforts on the untried kids. And how did the plump oaf repay him?

Waggott is a king among men. Remember that or you'll get told off!

 

[Sick Boy]

So, rather than the manager signing players it is the Chief Scout....(when they are good)

Rather than the manager/scout being responsible for identifying, judging and signing players, it is the Development Director. (when they are bad)

 

[Sick Boy]

No way! Not according to Grenduffy. And sacking the manager 3 games into the season? The was much better than after last season.

And when he was bought in to help Thorn in the transfer window and we signed less players than our relegation peers. That was a masterpiece too. Saved the training ground getting cluttered up with untidy players allowing Thorn the clarity to concentrate all his efforts on the untried kids. And how did the plump oaf repay him?

Waggott is a king among men. Remember that or you'll get told off!

Do you reckon that we should have done a Pompey and signed players we couldn't afford?

Who do you think that Thorn will takeover next? My money is on QPR....then in the long term, he has to be considered to replace Sir Alex.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

He put trust in Thorn's judgement-you tell me who's more at fault?

Let me put it this way. I have departmental managers at work. They make decisions, and I back them or not as the case may be. If their judgment is wrong, they take the flak.

But the ultimate responsibility? It's mine

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

So, rather than the manager signing players it is the Chief Scout....(when they are good)

Rather than the manager/scout being responsible for identifying, judging and signing players, it is the Development Director. (when they are bad)

The scout / manager identifies the players. The director of football (or whetever title applies this week) agrees the terms of the deal

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Do you reckon that we should have done a Pompey and signed players we couldn't afford?

Who do you think that Thorn will takeover next? My money is on QPR....then in the long term, he has to be considered to replace Sir Alex.

No. And where did I state, or remotely insinuate we should? :facepalm:

To answer the Thorn question, I don't know. But for you to draw the concluson that he has to move directly to a bigger club, lest he's the failure you always asserted is a farce. But I'm not surprised, alas, by you thinking so. After Livingston sacked Paul Lambert, he went to Wycombe and then Colchester before finding success at Norwich, didn't he?

 

[Jack Griffin]

Lets face it with the squad as big it is some of them have to go.
They've swung from one extreme to the other on that issue!