Kevin Maton (4 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

It is, but if it’s constantly in an unplayable state at some point they’re going to say enough is enough

This is the worry. We seem to be struggling with reversing fixtures so surely there's a limit to how many games the EFL will allow to be called off before there's a huge problem. Its not like there's a plan and a date when the pitch will be ready.

 

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[oldfiver]

This is the worry. We seem to be struggling with reversing fixtures so surely there's a limit to how many games the EFL will allow to be called off before there's a huge problem. Its not like there's a plan and a date when the pitch will be ready.

Some of the problem is the short notice and conflicting use of pitches

 

[usskyblue]

I got blocked over two years ago..

 

[chiefdave]

I got blocked over two years ago..

I got blocked for asking him how we were supposed to build a new ground on a site that was already having houses built on it.

 

[fatso]

You only wonder about the lease extension??!!!!!!

Hey that's business, Sisu fucked ACL about, so can hardly cry about fair play.

 

[duffer]

Competitively marketed to attract who exactly?

It was public knowledge that the arena was empty and for sale, anyone could have expressed an interest or made an offer.

It was costing ACL thousands of pounds a week to maintain, with no income streams.

Exactly how long should they have sat on it for while waiting for some mythical fairy godmother to come crawling out of the woodwork?

It most certainly wasn't public knowledge that the Ricoh was for sale. In fact the complete opposite.

The council did the deal with Wasps in complete secrecy whilst actually saying in public that they wanted to "build trust with CCFC before discussing ownership". What you're saying here is factually incorrect.

 

[SkyblueDad]

This is the worry. We seem to be struggling with reversing fixtures so surely there's a limit to how many games the EFL will allow to be called off before there's a huge problem. Its not like there's a plan and a date when the pitch will be ready.

There is a Rugby League World Cup match scheduled for October 17th it’s it’s an absolute certainty the pitch will be okay by then, from the Wigan game and then there are 7 home games so it’s a case of how soon the pitch will be safe to use for football, and that will be a EFL decision.

 

[duffer]

I wasn't privy to the discussions around a lease extention. In theory that would of significantly added to a value, but a value and a sale price are not the same thing.
As I've said, you need at least 2 bidders to achieve anything like a decent price.

And you don't get bidders by selling in secret, do you?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Hey that's business, Sisu fucked ACL about, so can hardly cry about fair play.

As a tax payer you can…. They excluded a potential bidder and therefore didn’t get best value for the tax payer

 

[SkyblueDad]

As a tax payer you can…. They excluded a potential bidder and therefore didn’t get best value for the tax payer

But the best value for the tax payer isn’t always the highest offer.

 

[Ashdown]

How could this clown get to Lord Mayor of a City the size of Cov when he mortally offended a significant portion of its population with shitting all over its primary sports team. What are his credentials ?

 

[fatso]

It most certainly wasn't public knowledge that the Ricoh was for sale. In fact the complete opposite.

The council did the deal with Wasps in complete secrecy whilst actually saying in public that they wanted to "build trust with CCFC before discussing ownership". What you're saying here is factually incorrect.

It's over mate, give it up, move on.

What's important now, is how we can salvage this season, the pitch fiasco, and how we can prepare ourselves to pick up the pieces when Wasps implode.

 

[SkyblueDad]

How could this clown get to Lord Mayor of a City the size of Cov when he mortally offended a significant portion of its population with shitting all over its primary sports team. What are his credentials ?

They get to Lord Mayor based on the number of consecutive years they have served as a councillor

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

But the best value for the tax payer isn’t always the highest offer.

How’s the wasps sale working out then? Apparently SISU would have took out loans against the arena… good job they didn’t sell to them.

or maybe get wasps to pay true value for a 250 year lease?

in fact a successful football team is infinitely better for the economy than an out of town rugby team.

 

[Calista]

Maton needs to own up to the reality that the Council’s Wasps project is in tatters. It’s easy to understand why capitulating to SISU was politically impossible, and how it became ‘anyone but SISU’. And with Wasps’ initial promises of investment and top-class sport in Coventry, I can see why there was cross-party support for going down that route. The illusion was maintained for a while, with marketing and freebies, a bunch of big names on the pitch, and plenty of floating day-out rugby followers.

But the risks were huge, the promises were all broken and it’s going down the pan very fast. The debts are insurmountable and the ‘product’ they are offering now looks shit, so I can’t see a future for them in Coventry.

But is that good news for the city or for CCFC? Some people assume that if Wasps go bust and/or leave, we’ll somehow gain by snapping up the stadium for next to nothing, but how would that happen, who would really own it, and where would all the debts go? And does much money in football come from owning and maintaining a stadium anyway? Isn’t it supposed to be a white elephant? I imagine CCFC could prosper under a decent landlord, just paying a sensible rent, investing in the playing side and aiming for the promised land. But for SISU football seems to be a sideline, it’s all about the real estate. Even in the arguments about the pitch, that agenda is lurking.

 

[Robinshio]

They get to Lord Mayor based on the number of consecutive years they have served as a councillor

google Andy matchett - he was a former lord mayor aswell

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They get to Lord Mayor based on the number of consecutive years they have served as a councillor

Basically they don't have to care because they wear the right colour rosette.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

1) city of Rugby
2) hotel on car park C
3) won’t harm the football or rugby team
4) won’t load debt against the Ricoh

this is going swimmingly well…. Great decision to sell to them.

when this fails people at the top need to lose their jobs and apologise

 

[SkyblueDad]

Basically they don't have to care because they wear the right colour rosette.

Not so, even if it’s a ruling Labour or Tory council in Cov it is normally Labour the Lord Mayor is the one who is longest serving consecutive councillor regardless of what party they are from.

 

[mark82]

Not so, even if it’s a ruling Labour or Tory council in Cov it is normally Labour the Lord Mayor is the one who is longest serving consecutive councillor regardless of what party they are from.

They alternate, don't they?

 

[SkyblueDad]

They alternate, don't they?

Think they might.

 

[skyblueeyesrevisited]

Alternate from one wanker to another

 

[robbiekeane]

Maton needs to own up to the reality that the Council’s Wasps project is in tatters. It’s easy to understand why capitulating to SISU was politically impossible, and how it became ‘anyone but SISU’. And with Wasps’ initial promises of investment and top-class sport in Coventry, I can see why there was cross-party support for going down that route. The illusion was maintained for a while, with marketing and freebies, a bunch of big names on the pitch, and plenty of floating day-out rugby followers.

But the risks were huge, the promises were all broken and it’s going down the pan very fast. The debts are insurmountable and the ‘product’ they are offering now looks shit, so I can’t see a future for them in Coventry.

But is that good news for the city or for CCFC? Some people assume that if Wasps go bust and/or leave, we’ll somehow gain by snapping up the stadium for next to nothing, but how would that happen, who would really own it, and where would all the debts go? And does much money in football come from owning and maintaining a stadium anyway? Isn’t it supposed to be a white elephant? I imagine CCFC could prosper under a decent landlord, just paying a sensible rent, investing in the playing side and aiming for the promised land. But for SISU football seems to be a sideline, it’s all about the real estate. Even in the arguments about the pitch, that agenda is lurking.

they didn’t have the “capitulate to SISU”, they just had to not sell the fucking stadium built for the 130 year old football club to a London based rugby team

 

[Deleted member 2477]

Not so, even if it’s a ruling Labour or Tory council in Cov it is normally Labour the Lord Mayor is the one who is longest serving consecutive councillor regardless of what party they are from.

Doesnt matter what party they are.They all piss in the same pot

 

[Calista]

they didn’t have the “capitulate to SISU”, they just had to not sell the fucking stadium built for the 130 year old football club to a London based rugby team

Fair comment Robbie, and I agree with the sentiment, but in practice if Wasps had been rejected on those grounds, SISU’s track record suggests they would have continued their distressing tactics until they got whatever they wanted. The interests of the Council, the charity and even the football club probably wouldn’t have come into it. Unfortunately Joy and Tim assumed they were the only game in town, and woke up way too late to the fact that they weren’t trying to batter a normal defenceless company, they needed to deal with politicians. If they’d had any sort of nous or political awareness, they would have stuck to buying the charity’s share back at the right price. IMO if they’d played fairly and generously with everyone (not in the DNA of a hedge fund I know) both they and the club could have been in an infinitely better position now. I do think they saw the light later, but bridges had been burned, and as we are seeing now some Councillors continue to bear the SISU grudge with a vengeance and shamefully don’t care about the effect on CCFC.

 

[Malaka]

Kevin Maton is a tool

 

[skyblueeyesrevisited]

Disagree. By definition a tool has a use.

 

[vow]

I would call Maton a c**t, however, they have depth and warmth.

 

[Hobo]

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• 1) city of Rugby
  2) hotel on car park C
  3) won’t harm the football or rugby team
  4) won’t load debt against the Ricoh
  
  this is going swimmingly well…. Great decision to sell to them.
  
  when this fails people at the top need to lose their jobs and apologise

  Most of them have retired.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I've never heard of Kevin Maton but what a twat.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

The lord major is just a glorified host.
Has no say and no influence therefore just take him for what he is nothing.

 

[skyblueeyesrevisited]

Just a man wearing an oversized necklace

 

[tisza]

The lord major is just a glorified host.
Has no say and no influence therefore just take him for what he is nothing.

Slightly optimistic.
Local politics is just another version of the old boys network. Lots of influence is peddled and favours traded.
Maton still moves in those circles.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Slightly optimistic.
Local politics is just another version of the old boys network. Lots of influence is peddled and favours traded.
Maton still moves in those circles.

What sort of favours thought those days were over

 

[It’sabatch87]

What sort of favours thought those days were over

Who’s gonna be Monika Lewinsky then?