Lampard (20 Viewers)

[Saddlebrains]

There's nothing wrong with Ben Wilson, I can tell you that for fact

Hes been fit enough to play ever since Dovin went down injured

 

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[Deity]

I don’t rate Collins but this isn’t just a Frank issue. Robins and Carr picked Collins ahead of Wilson.

Wilson has been a back up keeper his entire career and he is for a reason. He has failed to convince any manager that he should be the first choice keeper. Even after our last play off season Robins made replacing him a priority in that summer.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t rate Collins but this isn’t just a Frank issue. Robins and Carr picked Collins ahead of Wilson.

Wilson has been a back up keeper his entire career and he is for a reason. He has failed to convince any manager that he should be the first choice keeper. Even after our last play off season Robins made replacing him a priority in that summer.

MR didn’t pick Collins this season. He did though drop Dovin in less than a month when he hadn’t done anything wrong.

 

[Deity]

MR didn’t pick Collins this season. He did though drop Dovin in less than a month when he hadn’t done anything wrong.

Robins bought Collins to replace Wilson

 

[clint van damme]

Robins bought Collins to replace Wilson

What's your point?
He's regularly costing us points and Lampard keeps playing him when there's an alternative. Nothing to do with Robins.

 

[Diogenes]

There's nothing wrong with Ben Wilson, I can tell you that for fact

Hes been fit enough to play ever since Dovin went down injured

When Dovin got injured, the camera panned to the bench and Wilson was getting ready to come on.

And then. God knows why, the decision was made to bring biscuit fingers on instead and the rest is history. I'd love to know what that chain of events was all about.

But don't you know how amazing Collins did coming on in a big game like Sheff Utd away? He's such a hero.

 

[Shannerz]

He’s been in charge for 30 games and has a win percentage of 50%.

And that's not a large enough number of games to really guage the possibility of long-term success by results alone.

There have been some very positive aspects and improvement in individual performances (Rudoni, for example, looks a different player under Lampard). There have also been more worrying signs of tactical rigidity and lack of pragmatism.

I don't think anyone's writing him off, but it's ok to criticise where due, and to still be on the fence regarding the likelihood of long-term success.

Next season is the important one, when we will be able to properly judge how good he is for us.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I got a mate at work who’s a Chelsea season ticket holder, they love lamps but he said he can be stubborn.

Says he often doubles down when he’s being told he’s wrong, and he thinks he’s right.

he said at times he tried to be too clever - examples playing Kante as a false 9 against Real Madrid

 

[Deity]

What's your point?
He's regularly costing us points and Lampard keeps playing him when there's an alternative. Nothing to do with Robins.

My point is that 3 successive coaches have chosen Collins over Wilson …. They all see something we don’t

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I got a mate at work who’s a Chelsea season ticket holder, they love lamps but he said he can be stubborn.

Says he often doubles down when he’s being told he’s wrong, and he thinks he’s right.

he said at times he tried to be too clever - examples playing Kante as a false 9 against Real Madrid

If he learns the hard way he’ll be a better manager for it.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

1. If we leave gaps between the lines then that's an issue with the formation and how it is set up. I'm not saying we shouldn't play it, I'm saying that opposition coaches can pretty much assume that is how FL will set up and so more easily plan for it.

2. I agree Wilson is hardly the best keeper in the world, but playing a keeper who is literally costing you at least a goal a game is madness. Take today - he was pretty decent for 85 minutes but deep down you just knew that inexplicable fuck up was coming.

3. Again, fair point. The bench is quite a drop off in standard from the first team, especially at the moment with the injuries. But then if the players are tired (which they clearly have been) then that makes it all the more likely that you won't be making the choice of bringing on those players in future games because they'll have to start.

4. Injuries are part and parcel of the game, and some are unavoidable. But others most definitely are and the fact we're seeing so many now just suggests that they're being pushed beyond their physical capabilites. I don't think the fitness of the squad has been managed well lately, and that itself was probably built up over months of workload where minor issues slowly become more severe.

Are you a physio or sports scientist

 

[Shannerz]

Re: injuries. A couple of them have been freak ones due to collisions on the pitch. That's nothing to do with anyone's planning or player management.

 

[shmmeee]

He’s been in charge for 30 games and has a win percentage of 50%.

But most of that was a ten game fluke run. Outside of that he’s what 6/20 wins? So closer to 30%

 

[clint van damme]

My point is that 3 successive coaches have chosen Collins over Wilson …. They all see something we don’t

Robins didnt start Collins this season
It was mainly Dovin but when he dropped him for 3 games he brought in Wilson

 

[Shannerz]

But most of that was a ten game fluke run. Outside of that he’s what 6/20 wins? So closer to 30%

Give over. You can't discount a series of results on a whim.

Either take it as a whole, or not at all (as above, I think it's too small a sample size to really make a firm assessment).

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Robins didnt start Collins this season
It was mainly Dovin but when he dropped him for 3 games he brought in Wilson

Which ignores the season before when Collins was first choice over Wilson.

 

[SBT]

But most of that was a ten game fluke run. Outside of that he’s what 6/20 wins? So closer to 30%

His win ratio is atrocious if you leave out the games we’ve won.

 

[shmmeee]

His win ratio is atrocious if you leave out the games we’ve won.

It’s like the Simms last season argument tho. Statistically you’ve got two very different populations. That ten game run isn’t really representative. You’ve got a streak of 90% win rate then a streak of 30% win rate. And the 30% streak is twice as long.

 

[clint van damme]

Which ignores the season before when Collins was first choice over Wilson.

No it doesn't. We're talking about this season.
If you want to go on about last season fine, but that reflects even more badly on Lampard because even though I've never been a Collins fan he was playing far better than he is now so what's happened to him?

 

[shmmeee]

Give over. You can't discount a series of results on a whim.

Either take it as a whole, or not at all (as above, I think it's too small a sample size to really make a firm assessment).

It’s far too small a sample size. Not even a season. But he’s not been winning every other game. He’s has a poor ten then an amazing ten then a poor ten. Like a striker who knocks in five one game then doesn’t score for nine. Yes technically scores one in two but really isn’t one in nine.

 

[TomRad85]

Which ignores the season before when Collins was first choice over Wilson.

Because Wilson is shite, even as a golden glove winner Robins knew this and notice how there was no queue to take our non playing golden glove winner off us.
Tbh I think Robins had a pretty horrendous blind spot for keepers but it's Lampard playing Collins atm, even though Wilson is shite its a bit weird to still be playing someone who's gifting the opposition a goal every other game atm.

 

[SBT]

It’s like the Simms last season argument tho. Statistically you’ve got two very different populations. That ten game run isn’t really representative. You’ve got a streak of 90% win rate then a streak of 30% win rate. And the 30% streak is twice as long.

That’s why we count everything up in aggregate

This is like when Grendel or whoever tries to say that penalties/cup games don’t count etc

 

[shmmeee]

Because Wilson is shite, even as a golden glove winner Robins knew this and notice how there was no queue to take our non playing golden glove winner off us.
Tbh I think Robins had a pretty horrendous blind spot for keepers but it's Lampard playing Collins atm, even thought Wilson is shite its a bit weird to still be playing someone who's gifting the opposition a goal every other game atm.

Every time we’re like this the reserve comes in and absolutely stinks up the place and we’re like “oh yeah probably right not to play him”.

 

[shmmeee]

That’s why we count everything up in aggregate

This is like when Grendel or whoever tries to say that penalties/cup games don’t count etc

Im not saying they don’t count. Im saying if you want to predict our next result you’ll be closer guessing a 30% wins chance than 90%

 

[PVA]

One thing that's clear with Lampard is he/we really seem to struggle against poorer teams, particularly away from home.

We could barely have had a more favourable run of away games to end the season. One point from Derby, Hull, Plymouth and Luton is absolutely shocking.

 

[Ashdown]

I just don’t want to hear that Collins is starting on Saturday. The way he charged out yesterday was tantamount to being a little mentally unbalanced. It was footballing suicide and shocking!

 

[TomRad85]

Every time we’re like this the reserve comes in and absolutely stinks up the place and we’re like “oh yeah probably right not to play him”.

Oh there's definitely an inevitability to Wilson finally coming in and immediately stinking the joint out
But I feel like Lampard almost has to do it now even if just to say see that's why I haven't been playing him you fucking know it alls.

 

[SBT]

Because Wilson is shite, even as a golden glove winner Robins knew this and notice how there was no queue to take our non playing golden glove winner off us.
Tbh I think Robins had a pretty horrendous blind spot for keepers but it's Lampard playing Collins atm, even though Wilson is shite its a bit weird to still be playing someone who's gifting the opposition a goal every other game atm.

Clearly Lampard has zero confidence in Wilson to play the way he wants us to, and sees the risk of completely upsetting our tactics during a four-game playoff run as greater than the risk of Collins fucking something up in any given game. It’s just a shame that both those risks seem unreasonably high at the moment, but we have no good options here.

 

[clint van damme]

Oh there's definitely an inevitability to Wilson finally coming in and immediately stinking the joint out
But I feel like Lampard almost has to do it now even if just to say see that's why I haven't been playing him you fucking know it alls.

He can't be worse. If he costs us the game next week and ultimately a play off place its only what's going to happen anyway

 

[Ashdown]

I just can’t remember where Wilson has single handedly lost as many games for us as that clown Collins, please remind me ?!

 

[shmmeee]

I just don’t want to hear that Collins is starting on Saturday. The way he charged out yesterday was tantamount to being a little mentally unbalanced. It was footballing suicide and shocking!

Bring in the man known for his mental balance!

 

[Evo1883]

My point is that 3 successive coaches have chosen Collins over Wilson …. They all see something we don’t

I think that was before the massive amount of point costing mistakes hes making now .

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If he’s still here by the end of next season, that’s when you judge him. He came in to a mess, untangled it, and has again struggled with both injuries and sticking too rigidly to the same tactics that work at home but not away. Given the situation we were in I can see why he focused on getting the players to be very familiar with one system rather than being a Jack of several but masters of none.

It’s on him to recruit well in the summer and come up with an alternative on the road. Since he arrived we have only lost at home against the top 2 in the league and even one of those was because Collins did a Collins. If he succeeds in getting the squad to master two different systems the away form will get better too.

 

[robbiethemole]

You know he wouldn’t have been clattering Kitching on the edge of the box yesterday?

 

[Tommo1993]

He made two very good saves prior, that I think it’s a blind confidence boost that caused him to try and be a hero at the end.