Last Night Meeting (4 Viewers)

ashbyjan

Well-Known Member
Many thanks to all who attended the meeting last night despite all the traffic problems and alternative attraction of Coldplay - attendance was around the 25 people. Might not sound a lot but considering past experience and the minimal publicity (thanks for nothing CWR) for the event we were pleased.

Following a series of talks with Supporters Direct and the current Sky Blue Trust, it was decided that to launch a new Trust would not only be administratively complex legally but that our efforts would be better spent reinvigorating the currently dormant existing organisation than reinventing the wheel just for the sake of it.

At the meeting John Fletcher, Chairman of the SBT, explained the Trust had been so dormant simply because in its constitution it must have a board of six to make decisions etc but they only had a board of four so were hamstrung by their own rules - our first move is to increase board membership so this doesn't occur again.

The meeting covered a series of topics but mostly reflected the two strands that will form the basis of the Trust going forward:

1. How to make the match day experience better and more attractive to fans and lapsed fans.
2. To position the Trust in such a way that should SISU carry our their threat to put the club into admin or even liquidate the club the Trust is ready to rescue the name of the club and have plans in place to start the rebuilding of the club. It was agreed that we cannot simply sit back and hope a: that these uncaring, ruthless owners won't carry out the threat and b: that there is a new owner just around the corner, we must take control of our own destiny as best we can.

Actions from the meeting was various people volunteered to contact other clubs Trusts that own or have partial ownership of their clubs to see if we can learn anything - to get a better idea of what can be achieved please go to the link below:

http://www.swanstrust.co.uk/History.aspx

There were plenty of other ideas including having an identified Trust representative in every stand on match days so fans could approach them with ideas, gripes etc that they can then take to the club.
The media were to be contacted to publicise the rebirth of the Trust, its new aims, encourage membership and publicise the next meeting.

Overall it was a very productive and positive meeting that finished with a clear mission - stated above - but the real starting point is to get the membership numbers up and raise the profile of the SBT with the club, the fans and the media.

The next meeting will be a proper SBT meeting where people can join the Trust, join the board and get the whole ball rolling and in the right direction.

Next meeting to be at the Squirrel, Greyfriars Lane, Coventry - Wednesday June 6th at 7.30pm - If you agree with us that there is a good chance that SISU will put club into admin or liquidation I urge you to attend the meeting and help us start to put plans in place should SISU carry out their threats, if we don't start now it could be too late. Its OUR club, lets not let these people destroy it for ever in the name of profit.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Well done Jan and thanks for the update.

Seems a practical approach to resurrect the Sky Blue Trust - saves costs etc - although I would guess that there will be some costs in altering the trust objectives etc. I would guess there will be plenty of sceptics about involving the old trust though. Does there need to be a clear differential between old and new made ?

One thing I would like to know is why the Old Trust became so ineffectual - there is more to it than not enough on the Board, clearly it ran out of support and impetus. What lessons have been learnt and how is this to be different ?

Just a suggestion when reporting it back, especially here, maybe refer to SBTrust not SBT saves any confusion

but again well done :claping hands:
 

ashbyjan

Well-Known Member
To be fair OSB I believe there was a variety of reasons for the SBTrust falling into disrepair - the tarnished reputation caused by certain (often incorrectly) maligned spokespersons, general lack of activity causing people to question its validity and point, general apathy among fans, lack of communication, lack of clear purpose etc. But that is in the past and we will try and reinvigorate it but to do that we need people to get involved and participate - don't just sit back and allow SISU to destroy the club or just keep your fingers crossed that Hoff does have his Chinese / Indian or whatever investors ready to save us. Its OUR club and its up to US to keep it going come what may.
 

Nick

Administrator
I respect what you are trying to do, as said before I am more than happy to add a sub forum for you to keep all of the chat about it and announcements in :)
 

dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
It is easy here as a keyboard warrior to make suggesting. However if you are focused on stopping sisu destroying the club. You should try and build up a strong repore with the council.

From where I am sitting sisu seem to only listen to someone if they have something they want or hold a bit of power over them.

Even if ACL sell, the council will still maintain these 2 key factors.

If the council are listening to you then so are sisu.
 

ashbyjan

Well-Known Member
Fully agree that we need to talk to both but before we can start engaging with the Council and Higgs Charity we have to legitimise ourselves as having some form of mandate to represent the fans and to do this we need the SBTrust up and running with a growing membership - bit chicken and egg I know but as I have always maintained there is strength in numbers. I don't see that we have to get 1000+ members or anything before we can act but at least we need to move the Trust out of its current comatose state. This we should achieve in the next few days and then we can start questioning and getting the necessary support from the protagonists
 

Covstu

Well-Known Member
nice work Jan, looks like there is a way forward which is great, will try and get to the next meeting.
 

Steve.B50

Well-Known Member
Yes well done Jan, was a very good and positive meeting. Its good to see someone actually do smothing rather than just moan and repeat what everyone knows and wants SISU OUT.
Am looking forward to next weeks meeting and feel that things are looking good from a united supporters front.

Some very good comments made and interesting people present

Well done Jan
 

davebart

Active Member
I was a member of the SBTrust but was never asked to renew my membership. Presumably they have a membership list and those supporters should be approached again. We should be able to get 1000 members and if we can't there is something seriously wrong. The current stated aim of being ready to resurrect the club is a sound one that supporters can get behind.

There is much to be learnt from what other clubs have achieved, although I can't think of many that have been bought by a hedge fund who appear to be particularly opaque to deal with. No one actually knows who owns the club.
 

theprince

New Member
I respect what you are trying to do, as said before I am more than happy to add a sub forum for you to keep all of the chat about it and announcements in :)
Please don't make a seperate forum, not yet anyway it won't get read. So how things go.
 

Sky Blue Ian

New Member
The meeting covered a series of topics but mostly reflected the two strands that will form the basis of the Trust going forward:


2. To position the Trust in such a way that should SISU carry our their threat to put the club into admin or even liquidate the club the Trust is ready to rescue the name of the club and have plans in place to start the rebuilding of the club. It was agreed that we cannot simply sit back and hope a: that these uncaring, ruthless owners won't carry out the threat and b: that there is a new owner just around the corner, we must take control of our own destiny as best we can.

I applaud what you're trying to do, but I think you have been seduced by the anti SISU brigade. I'm no fan of them but when exactly have SISU threatened to "put the club into admin or even liquidate the club"?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
Their sister company applied for a debenture against the club, securing rights over all of its assets in the event of liquidation.
 

Cov4

New Member
I applaud what you're trying to do, but I think you have been seduced by the anti SISU brigade. I'm no fan of them but when exactly have SISU threatened to "put the club into admin or even liquidate the club"?

Refused to pay the rent?

I paid a fiver to join the SBT, fuckers didn't even send me an e-mail.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
It's considerably more than a threat, SBI, it's a legal move that guarantees them all the proceeds of liquidation.
 

Sky Blues

Active Member
Ian,
Cllr John Mutton refers to liquidation here:
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...-for-ricoh-arena-says-council-92746-30819657/
When given an opportunity to deny liquidation was a threat, Mr Fisher does not take up the opportunity here (notice how he dismisses administration but ignores the L word when it is put to him in questions 2 & 3):
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...key-to-coventry-city-survival-92746-30971114/
I don't recall Sisu denying Mr Mutton's allegation, but if they have I'm sure someone can post a link to it.
Though I have now found this line from David Conn at the Guardian: "The club lost £6m in the year to 31 May 2010, its most recently published accounts, and the accounts for 2011, statutorily due on 29 February, have still not been filed. This, explains Fisher, is because Sisu are pondering whether to continue funding the club as a going concern."
It can be found here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2012/apr/26/coventry-city-relegation
I would guess in this context "going concern" means that a company can keep going and it will not go out of business and liquidate its assets.
So, in my opinion, it appears they have considered liquidation.
 
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Block19

New Member
I think if the sky blue trust is to get stronger it needs to look at trying to get a partnership with the Coventry former players association, look how successful that has become. After all in sure someone from the club said they needed to build better ties with the fans, or did they say we need to make up more lies.....
 

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
SBS, the London Supporters' Club covers fans from overseas as well as from other parts of the UK-not a member myself though I can send you the details of who to get in touch with :)
 

RogerH

New Member
The same applies to long distance fans such as myself. I would like to lend my support. We need to be prepared for what I fear may be the worst, and be able to reform straight away. In the sprit of being prepared, the example of AFC Wimbledon is woth familiarising ourselves with.
 

ashbyjan

Well-Known Member
The SBT website www.skybluetrust.co.uk has been restarted and hopefully is functional - there is a membership area there. The website should be be totally overhauled and made more interesting, interactive and be responsive and we have a Cov fan who has volunteered to host and design the site asap. I would advise you to try that in the short term or wait until next week when the structure of the SBTrust is clearer and so is the way forward. Any ideas let us know either there, here or on the still functioning [email protected]
 

mexico88

New Member
I'm not sure i'd like this organisation representing me... for a start, if an organisation was going to represent me, at the very minimum I would insist they check their spelling in all communications. Forum or not.

I'm not too sad that I missed "last night meeting". Unless, I've missed something and it really was the last night of meeting.

For the record (and the "what are you doing about it"'s), I am happy with an organisation of 'scale' (note: not people) to do their best to "Save our city" (or whatever your calling it this week), but I don't want to hear of efforts to get dialog with the owners, etc. Please, if this organisation is to continue or indeed change it's vision (yet again) - consider using the time to do your best to go and find an investor to buy it.

Isn't there another organisation doing that already? Gary Hoffman? I'd rather he represented the fans over your organisation day.

Let it be, or find some investors - leave the grown up's to it.
 

gary_ccfcforever

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure i'd like this organisation representing me... for a start, if an organisation was going to represent me, at the very minimum I would insist they check their spelling in all communications. Forum or not.

I'm not too sad that I missed "last night meeting". Unless, I've missed something and it really was the last night of meeting.

For the record (and the "what are you doing about it"'s), I am happy with an organisation of 'scale' (note: not people) to do their best to "Save our city" (or whatever your calling it this week), but I don't want to hear of efforts to get dialog with the owners, etc. Please, if this organisation is to continue or indeed change it's vision (yet again) - consider using the time to do your best to go and find an investor to buy it.

Isn't there another organisation doing that already? Gary Hoffman? I'd rather he represented the fans over your organisation day.

Let it be, or find some investors - leave the grown up's to it.

Its you're not your though
 

gary_ccfcforever

Well-Known Member
we've left the 'grown ups' to it for the last 4 years and look where its got us?! Fair enough don't agree but don't start patronising other fans for trying to put a contigency plan in place to try to save our club should the worst happen which is looking ever increasingly likely.
 

dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
Don't spend too much time talking that over with all 25 people at the next meeting! ;-)

It's a shame, that some people criticise other people's efforts from the sidelines. Always the way in life though.

Whether I agree with all of your opinions, views and actions or not. One thing I will say is fair play to you for getting off your backsides and doing something to make your opinion's heard. I for one will not criticise you from my sofa.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
This, or any trust, will only work if fans across the board are involved, for people to make the decision not to join based on things like who is in the trust or even bad grammar (especially when yours is fucking atrocious) says more about some of our fans than the trust.

Good luck Jan, I'll be happy to join as keyboard warrior but cannot make evening meetings in person (though a family member is very involved and knows my views quite well I imagine).

To Mexico and LBB: if you don't want to help the club I love for petty reasons then you are no supporter in my eyes.
 

ashbyjan

Well-Known Member
Shmmeee - thanks for the support, much appreciated especially in these worrying times but I would disagree about Mexico and LBB. There are no classes of fans, we are all fans of equal stature with sometimes differing views and if they choose not to get involved or not support our aims doesn't make them any better or worse than any other fan. The last thing we must start is bickering amongst ourselves, there are bigger battles to fight ad bigger dragons to slay and if we haven't managed to persuade loyal fans such as these two to join us it probably says more about us as communicators than them as fans.

Obviously I would love everyone to join the Trust and work together to make things better for all of us but that isn't reality and there will always be a spectrum of opinion about any issue, that's what makes football such a great game and supporting Cov so addictive.
 

Lord_Nampil

Well-Known Member
was the question, "how do we encourage more fans to turn up?" mentioned at the meeting??

I might have some suggestions you can put forward if not...
 

SkyBlueJohnso

New Member
something i feel needs to be addressed - although at the minute there are abviously more important issues - is the way season ticket holders are treated unfairly sometimes, or not looked after as well as they could be.

Regularly throughout the season deals are offered on match tickets, yet season ticket holders have likely paid more for that particular game.
There was a season ticket holders only area by block 17 for a bit, didn't last very long.
Discounts are offered to local community groups, schools, scout groups etc etc, and as much as i know its important to attract as wide a fan base as possible, what about something for the season ticket holders?

i know they have early bird deals, free scarf before a certain date etc, but once you've bought your season ticket its almost like thanks very much we've got your money and thats it.
 

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