I have read many half-baked theories on these forums over the years, I've probably written one or two myself, but the idea that Wasps will buy CCFC is up there with the best of them. About as believable as David Icke's shape shifting lizard theory.
CCFC will not die - if the worst comes to the worst the name of the Club is the only asset...they will sell it. BUT I have said ever since they bought the Ricoh that they will also buy CCFC because it makes so much more sense...2 Clubs in one stadium...doubles the usage roughly. They get more return for their investment - & there is definitely as much money for them in a half decent Championship club than a Premiership Rugby Club.
...onwards & upwards PUSB
Firstly the Higgs Charity is stopping SISU. So buying land is out of the question.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/charitys-legal-clause-kills-coventry-11449119
Secondly there is an issue about further reductions in pitch availability to the public, though I'm wondering now why that wasn't put forward as an objection to Wasps plans by CCFC? Aren't they taking some pitch time?
This was the CCFC statement, made on Jun 7th, shortly after Wasps submitted their plans.
http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/alan-higgs-centre-statement-3137431.aspx
They say "To contribute to Coventry becoming a City of Sport,....To help fast track this initiative symbolically and practically, we also are prepared to move all football operations, including our 1st team training base to the Higgs Centre and therefore into the city of Coventry."
They have also still got a statement on their web site about an integrated stadium and academy.
http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/the-way-forward-coventry-city-020115-2177171.aspx
and they've also recently indicated a desire to move the team to the Butts and talked to CRC about that.
http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-butts-park-arena-ground-3117777.aspx
I think you'll find there is a statement to suit every possible option, but no actual action.
That said, for the long term, it remains the club’s ambition to own its own stadium. Financial Fair Play dictates that this is the only pathway to achieve the long term aims above.
The vision incorporates a first team-Academy training facility – a facility that is designed and built to facilitate and future proof a Category One status. Having the first team and Academy working on the same site inspires.
That's about it. I would go as far as to say some wanted todays outcome. There's people on twitter who claim to be supporters celebrating the fact that Wasps, Higgs, CSF and the council have got one over on SISU.So, to summarise, it was all a stitch-up. The academy is doomed, and yet all some people seem concerned about is finding reasons (sometimes desperately so) to justify the stitch-up.
I won't go as far to say that some people wanted today's outcome, but it's hard not to make that judgement given some of the anti-CCFC bile being spouted on here. Bittter, hyperbolic bullshit aimed in completely the wrong direction.
How do I know? Because you were saying earlier he shouldn't have gone. I'd put a weeks wages on you being annoyed if nobody from CCFC turned up.
The general consensus was "they should send somebody, but it wont make a bit of difference" on the thread yesterday... Not 1 person said they should send the expert did they? It is amazing to say it after it happened though.
Either way, whatever they did, whatever they said wouldn't have made a difference and people would have been angry. It is the blind hatred that people seem to have, it is embarrassing really.
It is amazing that you are saying I am defending something (which Im not) where the outcome was written and printed before it even happened...
That is the issue we have here, people can't see what is going on. You are too busy finding a way to be angry at whatever the club do, whether he goes, whether he doesn't, whether he says x, whether he says y. In the meantime, the fact that outcome was already decided gets ignored and becomes irrelevant...
Jan comes on and says "it isnt about statements people have made", of course it is. Call them all out on all of the statements, if Breed is throwing bullshit around then call him out on it too rather than hanging off his every word. If he proves CA and the club were saying recently they wanted to move then go ape shit at the club.
Look at the attention your Boycott Wasps thread got, it isn't a co-incidence people were falling over themselves to sign up and post on it and ruin itWell, until they put out the generic "door is open" statement for people to mental over.
This is such a simple point yet seems hard for so many to grasp. If CCFC ceased to exist tomorrow SISU wouldn't give it a second thought. Yet we'd be left with no club.They aren't doing it to SISU, they are doing it to CCFC....
If CCFC dies, SISU just stroll away back to London and carry on.
That's about it. I would go as far as to say some wanted todays outcome. There's people on twitter who claim to be supporters celebrating the fact that Wasps, Higgs, CSF and the council have got one over on SISU.
This thread shows you everything you need to know. We've had our stadium taken from us, we've had our academy taken off us yet people are tying themselves in knots trying to justify the actions of those that have caused huge harm to our club.And there lies the problem.
We are a divided group to much in fighting some blame everyone else some defend everything the club do yet say we don't believe them.
The club have us exactly where they want us Divided.
I actually questioned why he bothered going given what he had to say. Not nearly the same thing.
Of course I'd have been annoyed if no one from the club turned up having been invited. Wouldn't you have been?
What I wasn't expecting given the valid points in the second letter (which I commended them for if you care to look) was to waste this one of opportunity with something so irrelevant to the process.
They knew what was relevant and what wasn't, they employed an expert to tell them and indeed used some of this relevant information in the second letter. If they were unsure what was relevant and what wasn't five minutes on a government website would point them in the right direction.
Are we really to believe that they didn't understand what was relevant and what wasn't when not only did they pay someone to tell them you can find out for yourself on line. Is your excuse for them that they're incompetent and can't listen to the expert advice that they've paid for and/or can't use a computer.
Like I pointed out, TF might as well talked about the weather and sorry (don't know why I'm apologising) but when it comes to something that should be as important as the academy to the club his effort didn't even meet the bare minimum and that's all it had to be. Just be relevant to the process. Is that really to much to ask?
I would guess he was sent as it was his name on the letter so it was assuming it was him who had been dealing with the planners.
I said yesterday to send MV, as he has no history and is all football but it wouldn't make any difference at all.
That is not me defending, just saying probably why they sent him....
Amazing how you can tell all that by three minutes.Funny his name was on the letter yet he seems to have no inclination as to what is and isn't relevant in a planning dispute. Do you think he actually read the letter himself?
Funny his name was on the letter yet he seems to have no inclination as to what is and isn't relevant in a planning dispute. Do you think he actually read the letter himself?
Yet you still don't acknowledge the outcome was already decided?
I also doubt you would be ranting about this if MV went...
Are you really not understanding that he could have talked about the weather, he could have bared his arse and said "come at me bro" but the fact is it made no difference? Why aren't you annoyed at the fact it was already decided and why? Not even annoyed, wrong word as we already knew.
They won't buy the football club, they don't have the funds to run it on top of paying back the £35m bonds and £2.5m pa interest and funding wasps become the biggest club in Europe.CCFC will not die - if the worst comes to the worst the name of the Club is the only asset...they will sell it. BUT I have said ever since they bought the Ricoh that they will also buy CCFC because it makes so much more sense...2 Clubs in one stadium...doubles the usage roughly. They get more return for their investment - & there is definitely as much money for them in a half decent Championship club than a Premiership Rugby Club.
...onwards & upwards PUSB
Yes, they said on the 7th about first team to show long term.
9th rules it out
Where does that 5 point plan mention an integrated stadium and academy? It says integrated football model / Having a progressive fully-integrated first team-Academy model. Isn't this the one that CSF keep referring to?
It does say this about a stadium though:
Also this:
That doesn't say away from the higgs, they were building or doing anything. IT wasn't exactly the written notice people keep making out. I am sure they worded it as a "vision" on purpose...
Yep, The council were quick to try and throw the spanner in at the butts werent they?
It's not about who went it's about what was said. When will you get that through your thick head.
I don't doubt that the outcome was assured. What I don't accept is the club having an opportunity to make a relevant point on the record and not take it. What was said helps no one including SISU if they go ahead with another JR. Is a letter received after a deadline even going to be considered as evidence? Or even a follow up letter that's even later? Ironically the later is the one with the relevant information. TF's three minutes though I would think almost certainly would be as it would be recorded in an official meeting. Did we take this opportunity to outline the details that effect the decision making in the eye's of the law? No. So if it was a stitch up we've just threaded the needle for them.
And there we have it. A prime example. Amazing how much time and effort people spend analysing the minutiae of statements, emails and off-the-cuff comments in an attempt the justify the actions of those conspiring against us.
Here's an idea, spend that time lobbying those people who are conducting this spiteful campaign against CCFC (in order to satisfy their thirst for SISU blood), and perhaps the united front would actually make them think twice.
Truth is, the council can act with impunity, because whatever they do they'll be a flock of sheep willing to fight their corner for them.
If I didn't care so much about this club I'd have given up long ago. Today was one more nail in the coffin. We're fucked, and by that I mean CCFC. SISU are fine.
Maton is an idiot, one of the most vile human beings on the planet. He gets a kick out of winding up CCFC supporters which is pretty sad, nothing more than an internet troll dressed up in a suit.Maton tweeting that there is no emotional argument for the academy to stay.
Thick?
Have a word Tony, whoever went and whatever they said you would have had issue with.
You are more angry at the apparent threading the needle of the stitch up than the actual stitch up.
It's embarrassing. It can't be anything else than blind hate.
I'm not justifying those conspiring against us. I'm questioning why we're not using the small opportunities we do have to make a relevant stand against those conspiring against us. If you can't see that we really have lost.
Thick?
Have a word Tony, whoever went and whatever they said you would have had issue with.
You are more angry at the apparent threading the needle of the stitch up than the actual stitch up.
It's embarrassing. It can't be anything else than blind hate.
Assumption. Look back at my first post on the thread about the second letter. I praise the detail of it and state that if the club go to the hearing with that in mind and not playing the victim they have a chance of some success. So no thicko I wouldn't have had an issue with whoever went or whatever was said. I even made a point of not saying oh no they've sent fisher when it came out he was sent today on this thread. Even then I was still hoping for the best based on the letter.
Take your head out of fishers arse for five minutes and see what he actually done (or didn't do) today.
Assumption. Look back at my first post on the thread about the second letter. I praise the detail of it and state that if the club go to the hearing with that in mind and not playing the victim they have a chance of some success. So no thicko I wouldn't have had an issue with whoever went or whatever was said. I even made a point of not saying oh no they've sent fisher when it came out he was sent today on this thread. Even then I was still hoping for the best based on the letter.
Take your head out of fishers arse for five minutes and see what he actually done (or didn't do) today.
Sisu had the same choice when they took over CCFC but decided to do it their way. The batter and stress way.
The start of this rot is set firmly with Sisu. People should not forget this when they proportion blame for our demise to the other parties.
They could have effectively owned the Ricoh for less than £15M and Wasps would never have been here.
Seems a bargain now when you take into account loss of revenue, cost of legal fees and now the loss of future incomes from the demise of the academy
Their continued bullying has made enemies and given local authorities, sports organisations and Wasps the reasoning they needed to take advantage of the situation.
The new stadium and academy bluff has come home to roost.
Exactly!You do understand that its CCFC who are losing out, as you smugly congratulate Wasps.
SISU are useless tossers we all know that, but the simpering praise that some give Wasps as our football club goes down the pan makes me sick. Like someone said earlier this is CCFC we are talking about not SISU, if the club go bust SISU don't, but some on here will be more than happy just to get one over on SISU, missing the irony in that whole premise.
But it is all you have done, strained every sinew in your body to shift the focus away from the council/CSF/Wasps and direct it all toward SISU for their apparent inability to make the most of the 180 seconds of glory today in front of a committee who already had their decision ready. What is the value of that, short of it being an attempt to deflect blame?
It would be a bit like my chastising one of my kids for being bullied at school because they didn't do more to convince the bully not to kick them in the head.
I'm amazed Tony works in his little factory. He must do it from love I mean according to him ceo's are thick and incompetent, assistant ceo's are thick and incompetent - you are thick I am thick.
Amazed he has stayed where he had really,
Perhaps he's lining himself up for the big one when he goes to New Zealand.
I made the mistake of pointing out the irrelevance of what TF said today and Nick promptly jumped on it. Admittedly I've now allowed myself to be dragged into a debate about something that really is undebatable .
SISU made a relevant argument in there second letter. Fact.
SISU knew what the relevant argument is. Fact.
Tim Fisher didn't even hint at the relevant argument today instead chose to talk about something irrelevant to the planning process until he was told his time was up. Fact
Why would anyone argue that point? Surely that's acceptable and obvious to anyone who read what TF said today? I've been questioned for pointing that out and I've answered those questions repeatedly with the same consistent point. The people who are questioning it on the other hand however are straining with every sinew in their body to defend this failing by chucking everything but the kitchen sink into the mix. I'd question them of I was you. It's pretty simple to accept that TF fucked up today because he clearly did. Nick for whatever reason seems to be struggling with accepting that and encouraging god knows how many pages to denying it.
On that note I'm out.
There is no apostrophe necessary after CEOYou are thick. I've not said CEO's are thick or incompetent the fact that you can't see the consecutive failings of consecutive CEO's at the club only confirms that you are thick. Goodnight.
You are thick. I've not said CEO's are thick or incompetent the fact that you can't see the consecutive failings of consecutive CEO's at the club only confirms that you are thick. Goodnight.
Couldn't bring myself to give you a like for that statement but I'm increasingly inclined to agree with you.Frankly I'd be amazed if Coventry has a football league club in 10 years.
My thought (not fact) would be it's another force sisu out situation, maybe a party down with wasps and ccc...Couldn't bring myself to give you a like for that statement but I'm increasingly inclined to agree with you.
What happens if Wasps continue to refuse to engage in talks to extend the Ricoh deal? Sure we can move away again but we know the financial implications of that and we'd have nowhere to return to.
Unless someone comes in and basically donates a huge amount of money to the club I can't see things improving.
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