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You're a fool if you equate left wing and socialism with North Korea.
You're a fool if you equate left wing and socialism with North Korea.Wasn't that 70 years ago? think the world has changed since then but here's a few clues.
USSR,Eastern block,Cuba,Endless African countries,Venezuela,China,Vietnam,Laos,North Korea?
Are you getting confused between socialism and communism?Wasn't that 70 years ago? think the world has changed since then but here's a few clues.
USSR,Eastern block,Cuba,Endless African countries,Venezuela,China,Vietnam,Laos,North Korea?
Funny hopw it never works in reverse, and a Tory government is never Godwinned to a Hitler comparison.Are you getting confused between socialism and communism?
Same thingAre you getting confused between socialism and communism?
I'm no fan of Hitler and his views,But didn't Stalin and Mao kill a few more than he did?Funny hopw it never works in reverse, and a Tory government is never Godwinned to a Hitler comparison.
Funny hopw it never works in reverse, and a Tory government is never Godwinned to a Hitler comparison.
I'm no fan of Hitler and his views,But didn't Stalin and Mao kill a few more than he did?
Right wing but not that far mateBecomes a Hitler sympathiser in order to make a shit point about Labour.
It's like an interactive Daily Mail front page...
Same thingRight wing but not that far mate
Rather Hitler than Stalin, well there's a lovely choice.
In the next skybluestalk chat, it'll be whether you prefer to be Dennis Nilsen or Ted Bundy.
Looking at what was said in context he might have a valid point. It was said during a debate titled 'Is Democracy Working'. The full quote from McDonnell was:McDonnell is out today saying the Grenfell victims were 'murdered'. More dog whistling and incitement from him, he knows exactly what he's doing
What is 'employment'?Nobody can question the employment stats though.
It tells me you can't blame them for the current mess.Socialist labour has not been in power for 37 years does that not tell you something about their record and policies?
Can I ask why you think socialist labour have been inelectable for that long?It tells me you can't blame them for the current mess.
As long as I've been voting (I'm 43) there hasn't been an option to vote for socialist labour so it would have been pretty tricky for them to win. During the same period voter turnout among people my age group and under has been low with a common reason given being 'they're all the same', 'there's nobody who represents me' type comments.Can I ask why you think socialist labour have been inelectable for that long?
I'm not going to call anybody naive but if you're happy with the way the country is run then you're living in a bubble with no concept of how difficult life has become for millions of people in this country. We're the 5th richest country in the world and working people are missing meals to make sure their children are still fed. Neoliberalism has been in place in this country since 1979 - nearly 40 years. If there was any hope of eliminating poverty using market forces then it would have happened by now. Things need to change.
Where is your evidence that people are missing meals to feed their children?
Regards.
He was taking part in a debate titled 'Is Democracy Broken?':I wonder what McDonnell means by "is democracy working?" Basically telling us what we already know and that is he doesn't believe in democracy. He doesn't even bother to hide it now.
Is Democracy Broken?
When: 12.00 – 13.00 Sunday, June 25th
Where: Leftfield Tent, Glastonbury
Speakers: John McDonnell MP, Jonathan Bartley, Faiza Shaheen, John Harris (chair)
With a movement for a ‘Progressive Alliance’ heating up and an obvious flaw in our democratic system, we ask – is democracy broken?
I can tell you I have spoken to parents in my school that do exactly this. As well as having to choose between feeding themselves and putting money on a gas or electric meter so they can keep warm or wash their children in the winter.
It depends what they are protesting about - if it is usurp the will of the people through a targeted action of withdrawal of labour for political gain - they do not
People crying about the state of humanity..............it's almost laughable. On pretty much every corner of the planet humanity is expanding, it's numbers doubling up unchecked because the species is so successful. Almost every other form of Flora and Fauna is under pressure, numbers drop on every other kind of living organism. We are polluting the earth and the oceans and stripping out resources quicker than they can be replenished. Deforestation levels and pollutants will without doubt affect air quality in time. Water supplies are under severe pressure.
As for this country and poverty, it would do some people some good to go and take a little look around the world at real poverty. The UK is not generating the taxes to provide for everything now but still we take in a 1/4 million people every year from around the world and the strain on everything increases year on year. Corbyn and others notion that you can take from the rich to feed the 'poor' would of course prove as usual to be impossible as those with real wealth know all the loopholes as to how to hold onto their money. The middle ground brigade would be the losers as is the case with Labour governments, ordinary hard working prudent families who are careful with their earnings would pay the tax hikes in reality.
People crying about the state of humanity..............it's almost laughable. On pretty much every corner of the planet humanity is expanding, it's numbers doubling up unchecked because the species is so successful. Almost every other form of Flora and Fauna is under pressure, numbers drop on every other kind of living organism. We are polluting the earth and the oceans and stripping out resources quicker than they can be replenished. Deforestation levels and pollutants will without doubt affect air quality in time. Water supplies are under severe pressure.
As for this country and poverty, it would do some people some good to go and take a little look around the world at real poverty. The UK is not generating the taxes to provide for everything now but still we take in a 1/4 million people every year from around the world and the strain on everything increases year on year. Corbyn and others notion that you can take from the rich to feed the 'poor' would of course prove as usual to be impossible as those with real wealth know all the loopholes as to how to hold onto their money. The middle ground brigade would be the losers as is the case with Labour governments, ordinary hard working prudent families who are careful with their earnings would pay the tax hikes in reality.
Some common sense at last. Case in point:
France forced to drop 75% supertax after meagre returns
If Corbyn believes he would generate what was needed to deliver his manifesto promises from additional taxing of the "rich" and raising corporation tax by 7% (in the middle of Brexit negotiations when the last thing medium/large corporates need is another excuse to move their operations abroad) I'm afraid he is mistaken.
As Ive said previously, the state/public sector needs reform, not just cash. It cannot continue to cope with ever increasing, and aging, population. The young quite rightly complain about not being able to get on the housing ladder, which I can 100% empathise with (I bought my first house on a 50% ladder scheme), however, when net migration has been c900,000 over the past three years, what do they expect ? Corbyn goes on about being a safe refuge for refugees (again, something that I agree with, within reason), but realistically, how do you get house prices down when incoming numbers are so high ? As I also mentioned before this has been a major reason on negative wage growth, again something he has focussed on, without saying how he would deliver a turnaround ! To be fair to the coalition, whilst not solving the issue, increasing the income tax band and raising the min wage has at least attempted to address it for the poorest.
Whilst in an ideal world I find myself agreeing with a number of Corbyns policies, in the real world they are undeliverable.
Some common sense at last. Case in point:
France forced to drop 75% supertax after meagre returns
If Corbyn believes he would generate what was needed to deliver his manifesto promises from additional taxing of the "rich" and raising corporation tax by 7% (in the middle of Brexit negotiations when the last thing medium/large corporates need is another excuse to move their operations abroad) I'm afraid he is mistaken.
As Ive said previously, the state/public sector needs reform, not just cash. It cannot continue to cope with ever increasing, and aging, population. The young quite rightly complain about not being able to get on the housing ladder, which I can 100% empathise with (I bought my first house on a 50% ladder scheme), however, when net migration has been c900,000 over the past three years, what do they expect ? Corbyn goes on about being a safe refuge for refugees (again, something that I agree with, within reason), but realistically, how do you get house prices down when incoming numbers are so high ? As I also mentioned before this has been a major reason on negative wage growth, again something he has focussed on, without saying how he would deliver a turnaround ! To be fair to the coalition, whilst not solving the issue, increasing the income tax band and raising the min wage has at least attempted to address it for the poorest.
Whilst in an ideal world I find myself agreeing with a number of Corbyns policies, in the real world they are undeliverable.
Germany has a completely different economy to us. Manufacturing high quality goods for an export/import surplus pays a lot better and I guess the Germans grab the most skilled of the incoming people, whereas our economy is now made up more of service industry and distribution { Warehousing }, many of which traditionally pay low. The Chinese, Japanese, Germans and others make it and we buy, store and sell it...............and again in that scenario most of the wealth is retained at the top end of companies.I agree in essence with some of your post but Germany has had greater net migration than the UK in the last 5 years. It also has higher corporation tax. It has also seen wages increase by 14% and is still experiencing higher growth than the UK.
In the same period UK wages have contracted and our growth forecast is below that of Greece - we must be doing something wrong.
HS2 is ridiculous I agree, more an opportunity to bring commuter belts in range of London, to funnel yet more talent and cash into the Capital. That's whilst they dish out the lucrative contracts to their bestest buddies of course.Reform yes - but that means looking at what systems you have in place and what you can do to effectively improve them for all... that doesn't mean selling everything off so that profit ends up in the hands of individuals and not the state.
Take HS2 as an example, a complete waste of money that could be put into Education and the NHS.
We should not just accept things cannot change because someone deems them undeliverable. It's a lack of desire to make the changes that is the issue.
Germany has a completely different economy to us. Manufacturing high quality goods for an export/import surplus pays a lot better and I guess the Germans grab the most skilled of the incoming people, whereas our economy is now made up more of service industry and distribution { Warehousing }, many of which traditionally pay low. The Chinese, Japanese, Germans and others make it and we buy, store and sell it...............and again in that scenario most of the wealth is retained at the top end of companies.
Amazing how different a comment looks when taken in context, nothing in that to get worked up about, he quite clearly blames all governments by blaming political decisions taken over decades.Looking at what was said in context he might have a valid point. It was said during a debate titled 'Is Democracy Working'. The full quote from McDonnell was:
“Is democracy working? It didn’t work if you were a family living on the 20th floor of Grenfell Tower. Those families, those individuals – 79 so far and there will be more – were murdered by political decisions that were taken over recent decades. The decisions not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need, made by politicians over decades, murdered those families, the decision to close fire stations and to cut 10,000 firefighters and then to freeze their pay for over a decade contributed to those deaths inevitably and they were political decisions.”
Amazing how different a comment looks when taken in context, nothing in that to get worked up about, he quite clearly blames all governments by blaming political decisions taken over decades.
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