Switzerland... the second richest country in the world seem to be doing alright, considering they're not in the EU... Just putting it out there
But you missed out that the EU makes our laws and rules. We have to keep to them even if they have a detrimental effect on us. We can't even decide what we can or can't charge VAT on.
Future planning on education, housing and health as you say? How can we plan when we can't keep up with the amount of people coming into the country? And more countries are joining all the time. And they are all allowed to come and live here if we stay in. I can't blame them. I would want to live here if I was living in most countries in the EU. But how long can it continue?
Yes they do have access to the EU. Like I said earlier they export more to it than we do. And you hear the scare stories that you need to be in to be able to export to it.Just wanted to check that you're aware that Switzerland has access to the EU market and in return contributes to the EU budget, accepts the free movement of people and pretty much all the EU regulations on goods etc.
Yes they do have access to the EU. Like I said earlier they export more to it than we do. And you hear the scare stories that you need to be in to be able to export to it.
Would you like to tell everyone how much they pay in? Then put it against what we put in?
Remain Vincelot for me.
Have saved just what you called your main point. Not even going to debate about the right to buy being partly at fault when it isn't with these houses being lived in so not adding to housing shortage but only affordable shortageThe vote should not be about a single issue - for me it's about a stable (as possible) economy, and a well maintained functioningg environment supports this.
We hardly have any influence. That is the problem.No idea, but I'm sure that you can.
Of course, we do get to contribute to and influence policy unlike them.
As for the "scare stories", the nonsense that irritates me from BoJo and Nigel is that we can quit the EU but still have free trade with them, while no longer having free movement of labour or needing to follow EU regulations.
But then one day they tell us that when we leave we can negotiate a fantastic trade deal with China and the next day they tell us that when we leave we can stop China dumping steel on us - that's going to be a hell of an impressive set of negotiations.
If the people running the country could make the laws and rules I would agree with you. But they can't. All they can do is work out the best way of dealing with the rules and regulations given to them.The whole blame the foreigners that come here argument rather than the people that actually run the country is a pretty poor argument. The country needs regulating, top to bottom. This is nothing to do with immigration, it's to do with career politicians and short term planning.
We hardly have any influence. That is the problem.
And yes it has been a poor campaign from most of both sides. It has mainly been scare stories and time taken up showing both sides are pushing it with the truth.
If we could take back control of our borders I might lean back towards staying. But that will never happen.
If you can't see anything about the EU then who is it that makes the majority of our laws?http://www.parliament.uk/education/about-your-parliament/how-laws-are-made/
Can't see anything in there about the EU.
But as Professor Anthony Arnull, an expert in European law at Birmingham Law School explained to FactCheck, to truly make an assessment you would have to look beyond the numbers, at a more precise level of UK legislative detail.
He said that because of the UK’s remaining jurisdiction over key areas such as health, education and defence – as well as the sheer difficulty in measuring the UK/EU law balance – it meant the 75 per cent claim was unlikely to be true.
Prof Arnull added: “The claim, in a sense, is meant to sound like a negative by UKIP, but often we [the UK] would have implemented these laws anyway, or even initiated them – so that would need to be taken into account too perhaps.
“While if you have a piece of legislation with 200 sections, and one section comes from the EU, does the whole act then get defined as ‘from Brussels’?”
It’s also important to keep in mind that the EU’s powers are mainly regulatory, as opposed to budgetary. So the volume of laws might not always translate into impact and importance either.
The fact the UKIP figure was based on a six-year old German analysis, which in itself had flaws, is enough to suggest this claim is a step too far.
Clearly this is a complex issue, and difficult to prove, but there is a lack of evidence to suggest 75 per cent, or even half, of the UK’s laws now come from Brussels.
I fully agree that we need people to come and live here. But it would be much better if we had a say in what skills and how many instead of not having any say. Just like with those allowed to settle here from outside the EU. We don't have the infrastructure for those already here. And that can't be built overnight. And if our borders are left open we will always be playing catchup.On the immigration matter, I see that it's a big issue to many people - personally I'm much more relaxed. Economically speaking we've always done well out of immigration - it's probably the key reason for our current growth - but longer term, with an ageing population we need it.
I have a worked with the planning system for the last 10 years
And do you understand and get any true numbers from it?
On the immigration matter, I see that it's a big issue to many people - personally I'm much more relaxed. Economically speaking we've always done well out of immigration - it's probably the key reason for our current growth - but longer term, with an ageing population we need it.
The 'campaigns' for both sides, again in my opinion, have been awful
Yes they do have access to the EU. Like I said earlier they export more to it than we do. And you hear the scare stories that you need to be in to be able to export to it.
Would you like to tell everyone how much they pay in? Then put it against what we put in?
Why do we have a trusted water supply and the rest of Europe doesn't?
I fully agree that we need people to come and live here. But it would be much better if we had a say in what skills and how many instead of not having any say. Just like with those allowed to settle here from outside the EU. We don't have the infrastructure for those already here. And that can't be built overnight. And if our borders are left open we will always be playing catchup.
People are aware that most of Britains problems stems from mis management of the country rather than being part of the EU? People coming here to claim benefits is no different to British people claiming benefits, it's how the system is set up. The NHS being in crisis has nothing to do with the fact no attention has been paid to ever increasing numbers of managers and dwindling numbers of nurses. How many people will want to work for the NHS after the attack on junior doctors? What did that have to do with being part of the EU? Government departments paying out varying amounts for office equipment and supplies etc. Not using the buying power as a whole government to get cheap deals and save money? Is that because we're part of the EU? People live longer, in part to the NHS. This means pensions have to be paid for longer. Did people not see that coming? Or was that because we were in the EU?
I'm not in or out. Don't think it makes too much difference. What would make a difference is politicians who believe in equality and a brighter future for everyone. That will not happen whether we are in the EU or out. There has been a distinct lack of future planning surrounding education, housing, health and so on. Now is that because we are part of the EU? Or because politicans only care about staying in power and the short term?
You want to keep your fingers crossed that he doesn't change his mind on Trident. Your piss take could become a reality!I'm a Remainer on the whole I think. Mainly because I'm scared of the army of Zebras and Polar Bears that Mr Cameron said will attack us if we leave.
You want to keep your fingers crossed that he doesn't change his mind on Trident. Your piss take could become a reality!
You're forgetting Corbyn!It's actually quite difficult for me. As a leftie it's odd being on the same "sides" as heartless fucks like Osborne and Cameron.
I have noticed that people who want to leave are usually the retired who think they'll be living in an Ealing Comedy if the country votes for Brexit. Many people who want to leave are well off enough for it not to affect them whatever happens.
It's actually quite difficult for me. As a leftie it's odd being on the same "sides" as heartless fucks like Osborne and Cameron.
I have noticed that people who want to leave are usually the retired who think they'll be living in an Ealing Comedy if the country votes for Brexit. Many people who want to leave are well off enough for it not to affect them whatever happens.
You're forgetting Corbyn!
It's fair to say that there must come a point where the country "couldn't cope" with the number of people, but politicians have been claiming that immigration has reached that point for (at least) the last couple of hundred years.
But the other side is Boris, Gove and Farage!As a leftie it's odd being on the same "sides" as heartless fucks like Osborne and Cameron
If you look at the ones shouting the most to stay you will find the majority to be silver spoon tories.It's actually quite difficult for me. As a leftie it's odd being on the same "sides" as heartless fucks like Osborne and Cameron.
I have noticed that people who want to leave are usually the retired who think they'll be living in an Ealing Comedy if the country votes for Brexit. Many people who want to leave are well off enough for it not to affect them whatever happens.
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