Letters from Mark Robins (3 Viewers)

[Chipfat]

If that's the case, well done to SISU for the academy successes this season.

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The academy is the only thing that works in the club in regards to producing players. Its in trouble mind and that has to come down to the owners also. But if you think that's something Sisu can shout about then fair enough. We both then agree they take ownership of all used under it name.

 

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[peeler]

Don't you get it - when we were flying under Mowbray last season we constantly had attendances over our predicted budget for the season. And SISU never backed us in the Jan transfer market. Turning up ain't gonna affect the investment in the playing budget - only the bank balance in the Cayman Islands. Wake up!

Spot on - But some of the guys on here aren't going to listen to reason.

 

[Gazolba]

In other words, they now have a ready made excuse when we end up with a sub-standard team next season. "It's the fans fault, they didn't buy enough season tickets".
In what other line of business do customers pay up front for a product they have never seen and don't know the quality of?
What they need is a 'rest of season ticket', so fans can watch a few games and see if its worth it, before commiting. The price would go down over the season as less games remain.

 

[Nick]

Spot on - But some of the guys on here aren't going to listen to reason.

When you or Hadji start providing some people will listen.

A. Point out how money is going to the Caymans.
B. Explain how bringing in 7 contracted players (8 if you include Jones) while physically losing 0 in the Winter Transfer Window is free. If you could give Robins a call, then he could do with those pointers.

 

[Nick]

In what other line of business do customers pay up front for a product they have never seen and don't know the quality of?

A hell of a lot.

 

[peeler]

When you or Hadji start providing some people will listen.

A. Point out how money is going to the Caymans.
B. Explain how bringing in 7 contracted players (8 if you include Jones) while physically losing 0 in the Winter Transfer Window is free. If you could give Robins a call, then he could do with those pointers.

A. Servicing the so called loan, which was substantial (Can't remember but the figure £1.4m springs to mind)
b. Well they sure as hell didn't bring in any quality, because we fell away badly. One could argue we sold Maddison, who clearly wasn't the same player once loaned back.

 

[Nick]

A. Servicing the so called loan, which was substantial (Can't remember but the figure £1.4m springs to mind)
b. Well they sure as hell didn't bring in any quality, because we fell away badly. One could argue we sold Maddison, who clearly wasn't the same player once loaned back.

So how much has gone to the Caymans?

Maddison was pretty poor before his transfer, we dropped off way before the Window and then brought in a lot more than went out including signing Jones.

 

[peeler]

So how much has gone to the Caymans?

Maddison was pretty poor before his transfer, we dropped off way before the Window and then brought in a lot more than went out including signing Jones.

You're playing semantics Nick, Caymen Islands / AVRO / Otium / SISU choose any one, they all amount to the same thing (ie/ not the football club)

Like I said, they certainly didn't buy any proven quality.

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

So how much has gone to the Caymans?

Maddison was pretty poor before his transfer, we dropped off way before the Window and then brought in a lot more than went out including signing Jones.

Peelers right on the second point Darius Henderson Peter Ramage and Stephen Hunt to name but three

 

[Nick]

You're playing semantics Nick, Caymen Islands / AVRO / Otium / SISU choose any one, they all amount to the same thing (ie/ not the football club)

Like I said, they certainly didn't buy any proven quality.

I'm not playing semantics, I'm trying to gather the facts.

The manager was allowed to bring in at least 7 players on contracts one being with an agreement to pay a fee for him, I'd say that's a bit of an addition isn't it regardless of how they turned out.

 

[cloughie]

He has got Fisher. The biggest tool I know.

Yes he has but unfortunately it no good if you have the wrong tool at your disposal as it won't be fit for purpose

 

[singers_pore]

Ah, no surprise. The club's fault for the franchise choosing Higgs over all the other option. Up the Wasps!!

No it's SISU's fault for telling Higgs they were not needed because SISU were going to build a new facility. I hate the fact Wasps are here (see my avatar) but the blame for that lies entirely with SISU. You can't blame Wasps for putting their own self interest first.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Well wasps are beginning to do what SISU love to do, cut costs. One of their marquee players is leaving at the end of the season (one of two they can pay anything they want over and above the salary cap) and they have decided not to replace them. They may not be in the shit yet, but at the current time they are beginning to reign in their costs, and cut expenditure.

Would be glad to see the back of them both.

They have overestimated the people of Coventry and Warwickshire's willingness to regularly follow a team. It's almost as if they hadn't noticed the state the former top flight football and rugby teams are in.

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[clint van damme]

Don't you get it - when we were flying under Mowbray last season we constantly had attendances over our predicted budget for the season. And SISU never backed us in the Jan transfer market. Turning up ain't gonna affect the investment in the playing budget - only the bank balance in the Cayman Islands. Wake up!

surely by that logic not turning up won't either?

 

[The Lurker]

Agree. Bit like the Hoffman deal, how can he promise to give money to SISU when we get promoted three times and reach the promised land. People, no matter who they are, try and sell you an ideal.

what's your obsession with Hoffman? You slag Hoffman off more than you do sisu. This thread was about robins not Hoffman.

 

[slowpoke]

I got mine yesterday but I've heard this all before with previous letters of the club. It's a PR stunt to make more fans buy a ST. I actually bought into this idea before thinking the board would back the manager with a bit of money/budget for players in the summer and it proved to be the worst summer recruitment ever practically play the season with our youth team. So I'm sorry but this season is a no go for me I like mark robins and I want to go but I fear it will be the same as last season in terms of signing players money available. I don't trust anything the club says anymore we won't go forward until SISU leave so on that note I won't be buying one I'm out.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

No it's SISU's fault for telling Higgs they were not needed because SISU were going to build a new facility. I hate the fact Wasps are here (see my avatar) but the blame for that lies entirely with SISU. You can't blame Wasps for putting their own self interest first.

Sighs. Like SISU putting their self interests first? Are we blaming them or not? Struggling to keep up with the double standards here.

Edit. Similarities are striking. We want to move back to London. Option available. Not enough of a money spinner. Move to cov.
We want to have a super duper training ground and academy. Option available for the foreseeable. Ego and stubbornness gets in the way. Move out the academy.
Common theme is that both clubs have been used as a pawn by their owners. No matter how you dress it up.

 

[torchomatic]

You can't blame Wasps for putting their own self interest first.

When they had other options? I can. Anyway as a CCFC fan I put our interests first. A bit weird around here, I know.

 

[martcov]

Sighs. Like SISU putting their self interests first? Are we blaming them or not? Struggling to keep up with the double standards here.

Edit. Similarities are striking. We want to move back to London. Option available. Not enough of a money spinner. Move to cov.
We want to have a super duper training ground and academy. Option available for the foreseeable. Ego and stubbornness gets in the way. Move out the academy.
Common theme is that both clubs have been used as a pawn by their owners. No matter how you dress it up.

One is flying high.... the other is going down to the 4. Division. Similarities end there.

 

[torchomatic]

One is flying high.... the other is going down to the 4. Division. Similarities end there.

True but what goes up usually comes down.

 

[martcov]

When they had other options? I can. Anyway as a CCFC fan I put our interests first. A bit weird around here, I know.

If the owners had put the long term interests of CCFC at the front as you clearly would do, Wasps would either not be here, or as a tenant of CCFC.

A totally miscalculated gamble of burning all bridges, and moving to Northampton backed by promises of a new stadium in order to save the image of an incompetent hedge fund that had bought a club without having done extensive due diligence, is what caused this disaster. And yet, Wasps are expected to take the blame? Why, because the took what they thought was the best option for long, and short term, success on the field and off the field? Exactly what they were supposed to do. By the way, that is how our owners should be working, just because they can't get anything together, shouldn't be a reason to criticise those owners that do.

 

[martcov]

True but what goes up usually comes down.

In our case, yes, it seems so.

 

[torchomatic]

If the owners had put the long term interests of CCFC at the front as you clearly would do, Wasps would either not be here, or as a tenant of CCFC.

A totally miscalculated gamble of burning all bridges, and moving to Northampton backed by promises of a new stadium in order to save the image of an incompetent hedge fund that had bought a club without having done extensive due diligence, is what caused this disaster. And yet, Wasps are expected to take the blame? Why, because the took what they thought was the best option for long, and short term, success on the field and off the field? Exactly what they were supposed to do. By the way, that is how our owners should be working, just because they can't get anything together, shouldn't be a reason to criticise those owners that do.

Don't disagree with SISU having the blame. I would also chuck in the spite of CCC selling to Wasps when they did not need to.

SiSU designed out coffin and put the lid on but CCC hammered in the last nail.

 

[torchomatic]

In our case, yes, it seems so.

We've been on the way down for 17 years.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

If the owners had put the long term interests of CCFC at the front as you clearly would do, Wasps would either not be here, or as a tenant of CCFC.

A totally miscalculated gamble of burning all bridges, and moving to Northampton backed by promises of a new stadium in order to save the image of an incompetent hedge fund that had bought a club without having done extensive due diligence, is what caused this disaster. And yet, Wasps are expected to take the blame? Why, because the took what they thought was the best option for long, and short term, success on the field and off the field? Exactly what they were supposed to do. By the way, that is how our owners should be working, just because they can't get anything together, shouldn't be a reason to criticise those owners that do.

So, by that logic, SISU were right to break the lease. They took what they thought was the best option for the financial security short term and long term. Yes, they were outdone by a CCC who wasn't happy with teams moving but then welcomed others with open arms. Double standards on here are shocking. Wasps and SISU are two peas in a pod, yet judged completely different. Shocking. I await the SISU are owners, I don't care about Wasps etc. It's fine though, because what Wasps did was wrong and no matter how much people want to gloss over that, I will keep banging the drum.

 

[torchomatic]

So, by that logic, SISU were right to break the lease. They took what they thought was the best option for the financial security short term and long term. Yes, they were outdone by a CCC who wasn't happy with teams moving but then welcomed others with open arms. Double standards on here are shocking. Wasps and SISU are two peas in a pod, yet judged completely different. Shocking. I await the SISU are owners, I don't care about Wasps etc. It's fine though, because what Wasps did was wrong and no matter how much people want to gloss over that, I will keep banging the drum.

Yes the "Wasps are not as fault" line is a little odd.

 

[martcov]

Yes the "Wasps are not as fault" line is a little odd.

In what way? You just said our decline has been going on for 17 years.... Wasps didn't even know that the Ricoh would ever happen 17 years ago. Leaving a 32000 seater stadium empty in a city of over 300000 with a potential catchment area of well over 500000 was begging for a disaster. Telling CCC that you were building your own stadium and never coming back was the final nail in the coffin of our hopes of ever doing a stadium deal. Where do Wasps figure in that strategy?

 

[torchomatic]

In what way? You just said our decline has been going on for 17 years.... Wasps didn't even know that the Ricoh would ever happen 17 years ago. Leaving a 32000 seater stadium empty in a city of over 300000 with a potential catchment area of well over 500000 was begging for a disaster. Telling CCC that you were building your own stadium and never coming back was the final nail in the coffin of our hopes of ever doing a stadium deal. Where do Wasps figure in that strategy?

Thanks to the SISU/CCC/Wasps combo our decline still has 247 years to run.

Wasps were offered a new stadium and hotel complex in London. They declined the offer.

Pointless conversation as we'll never agree.

 

[martcov]

So, by that logic, SISU were right to break the lease. They took what they thought was the best option for the financial security short term and long term. Yes, they were outdone by a CCC who wasn't happy with teams moving but then welcomed others with open arms. Double standards on here are shocking. Wasps and SISU are two peas in a pod, yet judged completely different. Shocking. I await the SISU are owners, I don't care about Wasps etc. It's fine though, because what Wasps did was wrong and no matter how much people want to gloss over that, I will keep banging the drum.

SISU were right to break the lease, but wrong not to accept a lower rent whilst negotiations were being offered. They also should have been working on a stadium in the background whilst holding out for a new deal on the stadium. Burning bridges and promises of a new stadium in the Coventry area without not even having, say, the BPA, as possible short term alternative, or a viable site as a long term option was a pretty dumb strategy (IMO). The rest is history.

 

[martcov]

Thanks to the SISU/CCC/Wasps combo our decline still has 247 years to run.

And the answer to my question?

 

[martcov]

Thanks to the SISU/CCC/Wasps combo our decline still has 247 years to run.

Wasps were offered a new stadium and hotel complex in London. They declined the offer.

Pointless conversation as we'll never agree.

Good move, and yes we will never agree. Never agree - not in a bad way though...;-)

 

[torchomatic]

And the answer to my question?

The answer is CCC did NOT need to sell and Wasps did NOT need to move. Their DNA is no better than SISU as they moved their club permanently when they didn't need to.

They may be blameless for the majority on here but not for me. I look forward to hopefully seeing them fail.

 

[martcov]

The answer is CCC did NOT need to sell and Wasps did NOT need to move. Their DNA is no better than SISU as they moved their club permanently when they didn't need to.

They may be blameless for the majority on here but not for me. I look forward to hopefully seeing them fail.

Not quite as simple though is it.... Wasps did need to move. They had had it where they were and the locals were on the streets with pitchforks about their expansion plans in Wycombe - which got the expansion stopped. Financially they were finished. CCC are responsible to over 300000 people and an empty stadium is in no-ones interest- especially as CCFC had on numerous occasions promised that they were building their own stadium and never coming back. Even after they came back, they once again confirmed they were going ahead with the new stadium. Handed it to Wasps on a plate. Hardly Wasps fault. No. I am not interested in Wasps, but I can see why they are here, and why we are up shit creek without a paddle.....

 

[torchomatic]

Not quite as simple though is it.... Wasps did need to move. They had had it where they were and the locals were on the streets with pitchforks about their expansion plans in Wycombe - which got the expansion stopped. Financially they were finished. CCC are responsible to over 300000 people and an empty stadium is in no-ones interest- especially as CCFC had on numerous occasions promised that they were building their own stadium and never coming back. Even after they came back, they once again confirmed they were going ahead with the new stadium. Handed it to Wasps on a plate. Hardly Wasps fault. No. I am not interested in Wasps, but I can see why they are here, and why we are up shit creek without a paddle.....

Yeah, yeah...i hear all the poor old CC and the taxpayers. SISU won't be here forever one day they will be gone. CCC could have waited and been a bit more patient - if you remember they told us they didn't need CCFC or an anchor tenant as the Ricoh was doing swimmingly. OK, that turned out to be a lie but hey unsurprisingly no one mentioned that. They could have done a deal with SISU and loaded it with caveats. That would have had a positive affect for two reasons. The city's 130 year incumbent football club would have a permanent home AND we would have been more attractive to potential buyers. But nah, despite saying in the press that ownership of the stadium would be discussed they had already done a deal with the franchise.

Ann also said Wasps wouldn't have a negative impact on the football club...

 

[Nick]

Got my letter yesterday, anybody else's have a lipstick kiss and a pair of these enclosed?