Loans (again) (3 Viewers)

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Read the OP.
Their assertion is clearly that its a conscious decision by King which they say he deserves credit for

If you don't think its correct, take it up with them.

The recruitment strategy is to sign the best players available to us, irrespective of whether it’s a loan or not.

Austin was open that the loan market they were operating in was difficult for a variety of reasons. If the official policy was ‘we don’t like loans’ they would’ve just said that and justified it publicly.

Signing Grimes to midfield was probably the best signing we could’ve made and a much stronger addition than almost any realistic loanee on the market.

 

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[clint van damme]

The recruitment strategy is to sign the best players available to us, irrespective of whether it’s a loan or not.

Austin was open that the loan market they were operating in was difficult for a variety of reasons. If the official policy was ‘we don’t like loans’ they would’ve just said that and justified it publicly.

Signing Grimes to midfield was probably the best signing we could’ve made and a much stronger addition than almost any realistic loanee on the market.

You need to tell the OP and the people liking their post then!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You need to tell the OP and the people liking their post then!

What do you think posting on the thread is doing?!

 

[clint van damme]

What do you think posting on the thread is doing?!

You quoted me!!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You quoted me!!

You’re right. I was adding to what you were saying because many people throughout this season said that we specifically needed loan players and accused King/Austin of refusing to sign loanees.

Which supported your point that you don’t ‘need to need’ loans and we agree on the view that it has its place and shouldn’t be disregarded.

 

[Jay88]

You only have to look at Hull. Overloaded with loans last season and they very nearly made the play-offs, but now this season they have tanked.

Spot on, Hull gambled massively last January (getting Carvalho, Giles, Zaaroury all on loan plus permanent transfers) on getting promoted and it backfired with them missing out on the playoffs. Now they're in a relegation battle this season.

Loans can be good but if you can't guarantee them game time then it can cause issues, incur further loan fees, etc.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

I was alright with us resigning bright. That trumps Matty James!

I'm just on about the people that constantly have views that are shown up. I just wonder if anyone ever takes a step back and realise they don't know much about football and adjust accordingly and try to improve etc

You really are insecure.

 

[covcity4life]

You really are insecure.

Why? I can't help that I'm right more often than not. And it does annoy me that people who are wrong so much never seem to learn. When I'm wrong I try to learn the lesson. I think back to the bright thing and see I ignored so many alarm bells and I'll try not to do that again. Same with Marlon king. I was young and didn't care. Now I would.

So I'm honest yeah, but not insecure.

 

[stupot07]

Don't really see the point the OP is making, it's about the right players at the right time. I don't think it's been a conscience decision by King, if there was someone Lampard wanted at the right price on loan I'm sure we'd have brought them in. We have quite a big squad.

We made the play off final with loanees a couple of years ago, we may make the play off final this season without any loanees.

Burnley have 4 loanees, Sunderland have 5, Sheffield United have 7 loanees, and Leeds have 2. Loans aren't bad, they serve a purpose and if used well allows you to add real quality to the squad.

 

[fatso]

Oh and Norton Cuffy was good too

Sheaf was a loan originally. Albeit with an option.

Just saying.

 

[tomreagan84]

Watching teams with a few loanees, Norwich, Watford, etc struggling to make the playoffs isn't it great that we're making such an effort without a single one?
What happens to the clubs that don't make it and they have to send the players that are not theirs back?
They have to fish around for more loanees as they haven't built a squad deep enough.
Say what you like about Doug King but his stance on loanees is admirable and beneficial to us in the long term

Take your point; but I still think a young promising prem RB loan would have benefitted the squad this season.

No names in mind though, so don’t know what was available?

 

[Flying Fokker]

Just few months ago posters were crying and moaning that we didn't have any loans lol

I wonder if some posters ever stop to think about their track record and how much stuff they get wrong?

We were rubbish weren’t we? Some went as far as to say the squad needed culling. The manager was struggling and still seems to be. . There was hope that loans may take us to mid table given the season we were having.

So what did King do? Sack the manager, get some coaches in and they inspired the team.

 

[Flying Fokker]

Matty James, mmm, pretty sure I gave it to the owner over that one.

Ayari. He’s ours for £20 million.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

They’ve (Dean Austin and King) said it’s a difficult market because most players you sign on loan, especially from the Prem, expect to play. If they don’t, it impacts the player; parent club and the agent.

The takeaway for me was that if there’s a top player available who would definitely start, such as a Maatsen, Doyle or someone else out there, we will try to sign them.

It's the parent club with the expectation, which is where the issue lies.

I suspect the club got an absolute bollocking off Brighton for the Ayari situation and how they handled him. Not that it was particularly anyone's fault, Ayari just wasn't ready at the time.

But this is where the loan market has become somewhat challenging in recent years, especially when loaning from a PL side. There's an expectation that if you loan a player he'll have a prominent role in the side week in week out bar injury or suspension.

 

[JSL]

Maatsen, Sheaf and Gyokeres. All loans initially. I think the key to loans is having a buy clause in the loan deal or spotting the talent really early on and making things permanent. However, the no loans strategy under Doug seems to be working now we have steadied the ship under Frank, and Doug seems to find the money when we really need it

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Take your point; but I still think a young promising prem RB loan would have benefitted the squad this season.

No names in mind though, so don’t know what was available?

Who though ?
As it's turned out MvE has been super resilient and when needed Latibeaudiare has been adequate cover . There's no guarantee that a young promising player is going to be better than an established championship player

 

[covcity4life]

We were rubbish weren’t we? Some went as far as to say the squad needed culling. The manager was struggling and still seems to be. . There was hope that loans may take us to mid table given the season we were having.

So what did King do? Sack the manager, get some coaches in and they inspired the team.

I said at time the squad is good quality despite poor results.

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Maatsen, Sheaf and Gyokeres. All loans initially. I think the key to loans is having a buy clause in the loan deal or spotting the talent really early on and making things permanent. However, the no loans strategy under Doug seems to be working now we have steadied the ship under Frank, and Doug seems to find the money when we really need it

And in Sheaf and Gyokeres neither exploded out of the blocks and were instant hits . Look at the pelters Ayari got because he was so inexperienced

 

[Perennial Lurker]

I said at time the squad is good quality despite poor results.

The data always suggested the squad was fine

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Speaking of, reckon we could get Callum Doyle next season?

 

[Jay88]

Take your point; but I still think a young promising prem RB loan would have benefitted the squad this season.

No names in mind though, so don’t know what was available?

It's a tough situation as it's hard to tempt a club to loan us a player who's just going to be cover for Milan and play the odd few games. They want their players to go out and play regularly.

 

[JSL]

Speaking of, reckon we could get Callum Doyle next season?

The way Man City are playing at the moment, Pep might want to start playing him

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Speaking of, reckon we could get Callum Doyle next season?

Has he progressed since being with us ?
Seems to be used more as a left back/third centre back currently

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

People mention Ayari but if he came back the end result would be the same both here and at any other championship club. It was never his ability that was questionable it was his lack of combativeness and physical attributes that meant he could be bullied and pushed around. Its took Tats 2 years to get used to the physicality this league demands, I don't think Ayari can adapt to Championship football. Of all the loans Doyle has been the stand out, the kid has it all as well as the controlled aggression to go a long way. He would be a great addition to any top 6 squad but he wouldn't necessarily be a starter in the Prem if you were promoted.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Olé olé

 

[blunted]

You only have to look at Hull. Overloaded with loans last season and they very nearly made the play-offs, but now this season they have tanked.

Think shit owners were the reason sacking a good manager and replacing with a poor one. Their new manager looks good and they will give us a good game soon.
Forest were near the bottom, took out the max loans and got promoted.
The common denominator is the manager and the quality of the loans.
We got to the play off final with three really good loans.

 

[Skybluedownunder]

It's the parent club with the expectation, which is where the issue lies.

I suspect the club got an absolute bollocking off Brighton for the Ayari situation and how they handled him. Not that it was particularly anyone's fault, Ayari just wasn't ready at the time.

But this is where the loan market has become somewhat challenging in recent years, especially when loaning from a PL side. There's an expectation that if you loan a player he'll have a prominent role in the side week in week out bar injury or suspension.

Doubt we got a bollocking do you reckon, probably just lost a bit of respect from them.
We played Ostigard and Gyokeres played a bit while on loan with us, more so after we signed him obviously


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[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Doubt we got a bollocking do you reckon, probably just lost a bit of respect from them.
We played Ostigard and Gyokeres played a bit while on loan with us, more so after we signed him obviously


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Bollocking was probably a bit strong. Reading between the lines of what Dean Austin has said previously on the club's stance on loans though, when he referenced the Ayari situation specifically, I suspect Brighton weren't particularly happy as the club would've likely given assurances about his playing time which didn't materialise.

He's always been very highly rated there and as such there would've been stipulations about him coming here. So it was probably a case of both agent and parent club were in the club's ear once Ayari fell down the pecking order as Brighton had probably laid out a pathway for him to hopefully transition into the first team and his loan here was phase 1.

It's why identifying the right loans is important as it's not just the player you have to be mindful about keeping sweet.