London Bridge (16 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

The facts were obvious

You didn’t have to be a detective to work out he was t going to be a member of the local church group

Not sure about that. Good people can make brave decisions too.

Seems 2 people have died so yesterday becomes even sadder

 

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[Grendel]

Not sure about that. Good people can make brave decisions too.

Seems 2 people have died so yesterday becomes even sadder

The only incredulous thing is he’s allowed on the streets at all and he was allowed to talk with students at a criminology workshop in London

 

[Macca]

And an undercover Policeman, a whales tusk and a fire extinguisher.

You literally couldn’t make it up.

I know. Ivory surprised too

 

[Paul Anthony]

Hmm, something not quite right here I don't think.

Apparently he had a previous terrorist conviction and was out on licence and wearing an electronic tag following his release.

He was from Staffordshire, so surely it would have been flagged up that he was now in London and in the vicinity of London Bridge wouldn't it? He was apparently attending this prisoner rehabilitation conference where the attack happened . Wouldn't they have checked all attendees for weapons and knives upon their arrival?

This seems like it should have been preventable.

And anyway, in 2013 he received a fixed term sentence of 16 years, whereby he should have served at least half his term. Half of. 16 is 8 and 8 added onto 2013 is 2021.

Seemingly they must have been convinced he had been rehabilitated to a degree in order to allow him to attend this event.

Definitely questions to be answered here.

So, not only was he known, he was a convicted terrorist serving a long sentence for plotting a terrorist act by bombing the stock exchange, and some complete pillock has decided its safe to let him back into society? That is up there with one of the maddest things I've ever heard.

 

[shmmeee]

It won’t necessarily help him. I’m sure there was one before that happened during the last election campaign and it drew attention to the cuts to the police forces.

War and recession always help the right.

 

[Nick]

Who thinks to grab a narwhale tusk though and go at a terrorist? What a legend.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The only incredulous thing is he’s allowed on the streets at all and he was allowed to talk with students at a criminology workshop in London

I have to agree.

 

[Nick]

The only incredulous thing is he’s allowed on the streets at all and he was allowed to talk with students at a criminology workshop in London

Yeah but second chance, give him a cuddle and all that do good shit.

Should have just made him vanish from his prison cell in the night the first time round.

 

[clint van damme]

Who thinks to grab a narwhale tusk though and go at a terrorist? What a legend.

Polish fella apparently. Resourceful lad.

 

[Grendel]

Yeah but second chance, give him a cuddle and all that do good shit.

Should have just made him vanish from his prison cell in the night the first time round.

A short rope and a long drop and this would not even be being discussed would it?

 

[clint van damme]

Yeah but second chance, give him a cuddle and all that do good shit.

Should have just made him vanish from his prison cell in the night the first time round.

His being given a second chance is nothing to do with giving him a cuddle as confirmed by an ex senior member of the security services and a senior police officer on 5live this morning. All about saving money.

 

[Grendel]

His being given a second chance is nothing to do with giving him a cuddle as confirmed by an ex senior member of the security services and a senior police officer on 5live this morning. All about saving money.

Executing him would have saved a lot more

 

[clint van damme]

Executing him would have saved a lot more

Be another one along soon.
The ex security service fella was saying the scale of this is frightening.

 

[Nick]

Be another one along soon.
The ex security service fella was saying the scale of this is frightening.

The scale of terrorists walking the streets?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Executing him would have saved a lot more

Doesn't in the US.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

A short rope and a long drop and this would not even be being discussed would it?

There’d be no less attacks though but hey yep let’s descend to the level of Neanderthals

 

[Grendel]

Doesn't in the US.

terrorists? In effect he was executed wasn’t he? Is anyone going to complain?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Executing him would have saved a lot more

Or not investing in everyone’s future. The Tory Way. Reduce police, increase prison spaces but don’t invest in anything that makes a blind bit of difference in safeguarding society. It’s never an exact science probation and rehabilitation but this looks like an awful one. My experience of them is hugely risk averse

 

[Grendel]

There’d be no less attacks though but hey yep let’s descend to the level of Neanderthals

Why don’t you tell that to the families of the people he killed.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

terrorists? In effect he was executed wasn’t he? Is anyone going to complain?

Self defence if they genuinely thought he was going to blow himself and others up

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Why don’t you tell that to the families of the people he killed

I would but I’d not expect them to listen to me as I’ve not suffered in that way. But ghandi was right an eye for an eye leaves us all blind.
Working in Bosnia with kids after the war is enough to open your eyes to a better way of doing things not repeating the same mistakes.

 

[Nick]

Self defence if they genuinely thought he was going to blow himself and others up

Not much difference to killing somebody before they do it is there?

Just means innocent people don't get hurt.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Not much difference to killing somebody before they do it is there?

Just means innocent people don't get hurt.

Do you mean before they kill or before they blow themselves up?

 

[Grendel]

Or not investing in everyone’s future. The Tory Way. Reduce police, increase prison spaces but don’t invest in anything that makes a blind bit of difference in safeguarding society. It’s never an exact science probation and rehabilitation but this looks like an awful one. My experience of them is hugely risk averse

Crap what’s police on the streets going to do to stop an anarchist lunatic?

If he lived his life expectancy in prison he’d cost taxpayers £2 million

Justify that - these people claim to be going to some promised land don’t they? He doesn’t want his soul redeemed

Well film the scumbag as the rope is pulled tight and the drop awaits. I don’t think the look on his face will be one of delight

 

[Nick]

Do you mean before they kill or before they blow themselves up?

You said it was OK for the police to shoot him because they thought he might blow himself up so it was self defence.

He was put in prison for terrorism wasn't he? Do it at that point and 2 innocent people would still be alive.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Crap what’s police on the streets going to do to stop an anarchist lunatic?

If he lived his life expectancy in prison he’d cost taxpayers £2 million

Justify that - these people claim to be going to some promised land don’t they? He doesn’t want his soul redeemed

Well film the scumbag as the rope is pulled tight and the drop awaits. I don’t think the look on his face will be one of delight

You think vengeance helps? You think you solve this by ratcheting up the sickness of how we deal with criminals and terrorists? Ok

 

[Macca]

Looking through social media if you are concerned that this chap had been released then you are either a “gammon” or a “Daily Mail reader” Rather harsh on the relatives of the deceased one would think

 

[Macca]

You think vengeance helps? You think you solve this by ratcheting up the sickness of how we deal with criminals and terrorists? Ok

removes that particular threat without a doubt. More effectively than what they tried before

 

[Grendel]

You think vengeance helps? You think you solve this by ratcheting up the sickness of how we deal with criminals and terrorists? Ok

Would two people be alive today if he’d been hung initially?

 

[Astute]

So what does everyone think about a terrorist being stopped by a murderer on day release?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You said it was OK for the police to shoot him because they thought he might blow himself up so it was self defence.

He was put in prison for terrorism wasn't he? Do it at that point and 2 innocent people would still be alive.

Was just checking what you meant. There’s some good clever legal language for the difference between the two. It depends what sort of society we dream of or desire for our children. Minority report is a good dystopian picture of that. I think there’s a line between having to state sanction a killing as lives are at risk and another line for state sanctioned killing when a person has committed murder. I’m happy that others opinions are different on both of those lines but let’s not pretend they’re aren’t consequences to ourselves and society by ratcheting up the vengeance as it’s beyond doubt that state sanctioned killing does not act as a deterrent

 

[Grendel]

You think vengeance helps? You think you solve this by ratcheting up the sickness of how we deal with criminals and terrorists? Ok

It’s not vengeance if it’s the legal punishment for the action - someone commits a terror crime they will know the consequence if caught - it’s a strange God you worship

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Looking through social media if you are concerned that this chap had been released then you are either a “gammon” or a “Daily Mail reader” Rather harsh on the relatives of the deceased one would think

I agree any person should be concerned at his release so soon into his sentence. The level of supervision of licences is non existent too

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So what does everyone think about a terrorist being stopped by a murderer on day release?

Is that the case? Wow that’s an awful quandary for Grendel to answer

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s not vengeance if it’s the legal punishment for the action - someone commits a terror crime they will know the consequence if caught - it’s a strange God you worship

It’s state sanctioned vengeance although If the law it wouldn’t be illegal. I’ve said above and studies around the world confirm the death penalty does not work as a deterrent.

Those specific 2 people would still be alive if he had been hung doesn’t make it right to do it