Astute
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He murdered a 21 year old woman with learning difficulties. The police had to tell her parents that not only was he out but he was going to be all over the media.
He murdered a 21 year old woman with learning difficulties. The police had to tell her parents that not only was he out but he was going to be all over the media.Is that the case? Wow that’s a brilliant quandary for Grendel to answer
He she never have been considered safe. They should have listened to the judge from 2012.Probably because he was considered safe - he could have left weapons outside and gone back to get them
He was in workshops moving with students telling people about life in prison
Well more may be dead if he hadn’t been on day release. That’s such a moral maze isn’t it?He murdered a 21 year old woman with learning difficulties. The police had to tell her parents that not only was he out but he was going to be all over the media.
Never is a long time but not so soon . Seems a perverse decisionHe she never have been considered safe. They should have listened to the judge from 2012.
And I’m sorry I’m going to edit my comment. Brilliant is a really shitty word to have used in this context - sorryHe murdered a 21 year old woman with learning difficulties. The police had to tell her parents that not only was he out but he was going to be all over the media.
Might even be the one who ran across the road and took a knife off him.And I’m sorry I’m going to edit my comment. Brilliant is a really shitty word to have used in this context - sorry
Nope. This incident yesterday has to be treated in complete isolation.Definite hero then no question. Maybe in a small way paying part of his debt to society. Doesn’t bring their daughter back though
True. I actually meant he should never have been released now. This should have never happened. 20 or 30 years down the line, who knows, but this was way, way too soon.Never is a long time but not so soon . Seems a perverse decision
Would two people be alive today if he’d been hung initially?
Fuck off. His actions can be commended but he is no heroNope. This incident yesterday has to be treated in complete isolation.
Disagree. On the surface, based on the information we have at hand, that was a heroic thing to do.Fuck off. His actions can be commended but he is no hero
Yup.If one of the guys that tackled him was a murderer then we'd have hung him too. So he wouldn't have been there to help and there may have been more people killed.
What about the ex-gang members that now run rehabilitation services and charities to try and prevent more kids joining gangs. The kids are going to listen to them more than the likes of us who have no idea of that kind of culture.
And now you have more infoDisagree. On the surface, based on the information we have at hand, that was a heroic thing to do.
Yep probation not involved in decision to release him but they would have been managing the licence conditions. No funding and nowhere near enough time to safely risk asses this sort of risk I don’t think.Being realistic if capital punishment is going to be reintroduced it is going to take years of debate, legal challenges etc. The more pressing issue is why are people convicted of these crimes being allowed to wander the streets. If, as has been claimed, it is purely due to budget cuts that is something that can be immediately addressed.
Of course we used to have the option of keeping people locked up indefinitely if they were considered a danger to the public but that was removed in 2012. Maybe that needs to be looked at again and the funding put in place to allow it to be properly implemented.
Of course his actions were heroic. His murder was abhorrent and deserving of the most severe punishment. Those are not mutually exclusiveAnd now you have more info
Do you think a murder of disabled girl is a hero?
And now you have more info
Do you think a murder of disabled girl is a hero?
Yep completely agree. Maybe the time has come to decide as a society what we want though. If rehabilitation is a myth then let’s not bother locking people up. Grendel would you prefer hanging or firing squad or maybe ripped apart by dogs for really horrible crimesYou can do horrific and heroic things.
What if one of the people that helped disarmed the terrorist yesterday has no current convictions. Are they are hero? What if they later go on to murder someone? Do they then stop being a hero for their actions yesterday and just become a monster? Would everyone calling them a hero now be considered apologists for a murderer?
Do his actions yesterday make up for his horrific actions against the disabled girl? Of course they don't. But then do his horrific actions mean that his actions yesterday that potentially saved people's lives were not brave and heroic?
How does your logic work exactly?And now you have more info
Do you think a murder of disabled girl is a hero?
You need to distinguish between identifying people by what they do and say. Each of us is a series of decisions and actions so a person who makes many terrible decisions can do a good thing and a person who has made a series of wonderful decisions can do a bad thing. It’s lifeSo is the terrorist a hero if you now found out he saved an old ladies life on his way to london bridge?
You make no sense otisHow does your logic work exactly?
So, if you were there yesterday, not knowing anything and you witnessed the intervention, it would be 'Well done, mate, you're a hero.'
He then responds with 'I was convicted for murder some years ago.'
You would reply with 'Then you are not a hero at all.'
It makes zero sense. As has been stated, the two are not mutually exclusive.
One horrific action, one heroic. It merely makes this one action an heroic act. Merely in this instance.
So would you call the terrorist a hero?You need to distinguish between identifying people by what they do and say. Each of us is a series of decisions and actions so a person who makes many terrible decisions can do a good thing and a person who has made a series of wonderful decisions can do a bad thing. It’s life
So is the terrorist a hero if you now found out he saved an old ladies life on his way to london bridge?
Glad u agree with me. So the guy yesterday wasnt a hero as terrorist wouldnt be 1 eitherMaybe. Just maybe. You can’t sort humans into neat boxes like that and should leave it to the Marvel films.
Glad u agree with me. So the guy yesterday wasnt a hero as terrorist wouldnt be 1 either
It would be heroic depending on circumstances before he then went on to commit a horrific crime. We’re not communicating in the same languageSo would you call the terrorist a hero?
Why you both dancing around my question?
Ok the terrorist would be a hero?His actions were heroic. He’s a human.
So a hero?It would be heroic depending on circumstances before he then went on to commit a horrific crime. We’re not communicating in the same language
If it was a heroic thing he did, he would be a hero for that one instance yes, if he risked all to save someone's life.You make no sense otis
I hwve never said the act wasnt heroic. I saod he is not a hero
Just answer my question. Would you call the terorrist a hero if you found out he had saved someone's life earlier that day?
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