Manchester Airport Incident (2 Viewers)

SBAndy · Oct 23, 2024

I find the whole ‘two tier’ thing absolute bollocks.

However, the fact charges are yet to be brought really isn’t a good look. Clearly we don’t know what else they are accused of and how much investigation is subsequently required, but you’d have thought they were really pushing for an outcome a couple of months back.

chiefdave · Oct 23, 2024

If they rushed it through and the case fell apart at court people would be moaning about why hadn't they done it properly.

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 23, 2024

Grendel said:
If one of the thugs wasn’t at the airport but said burn a building they’d have been charged and have 3 years in the slammer

If they’d pleaded guilty yes

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 23, 2024

rob9872 said:
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the case, this is so high profile that I'm surprised it hasnt been fast-tracked to get it trial and get it over with one way or another, if only to stop all of the online coverage and comparisons about it. I know the difference is the plea of not-guilty, but after all of the whataboutery with the riot sentences, it would make sense to close this asap.

That’s the question isn’t it?
I’m happy to believe that the police are investigating and cps advice being sought
I do fear the chance of a fair trial is diminishing with the shit from reform and others on Twitter etc

There’s no doubt that their actions on the video I’ve seen is violent and causes actual harm so a serious crime

MalcSB · Oct 23, 2024

rob9872 said:
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the case, this is so high profile that I'm surprised it hasnt been fast-tracked to get it trial and get it over with one way or another, if only to stop all of the online coverage and comparisons about it. I know the difference is the plea of not-guilty, but after all of the whataboutery with the riot sentences, it would make sense to close this asap.

They are hoping it will be forgotten so it can be swept under the carpet.

MalcSB · Oct 23, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s as if there’s multiple crime sites and it all needs unpacking
Or are you indeed suggesting that despite all evidence to the contrary black and Asian people are less likely to be found guilty of crime?

They have to be charged first, Pete. There is clear video evidence of them assaulting police officers which is a crime and for which there is no excuse.

Look at the speed with which rioters faced justice.

MalcSB · Oct 23, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s the question isn’t it?
I’m happy to believe that the police are investigating and cps advice being sought
I do fear the chance of a fair trial is diminishing with the shit from reform and others on Twitter etc

There’s no doubt that their actions on the video I’ve seen is violent and causes actual harm so a serious crime

So, like the labour councillor advocating the cutting of throats on video, how can they possibly plead innocent.

Hopefully to be reflected in the sentence. If they ever come to trial, that is.

duffer · Oct 23, 2024

Gosh this is an easy one...

The rioters were prosecuted quickly and firmly because there was thought to be a significant risk of wide scale disorder that the Government felt it needed to control.

The airport incident doesn't represent the same level of threat to order, so is going through the extremely slow CPS process that most crimes follow.

If you're upset about it for some reason, I'd suggest you write to Starmer and Reeves to insist that the criminal justice system is in serious need of extra funds. Oh wait, those left-wing firebrands, the Law Society, have already done it.

Backlogs continue to spiral in crisis-ridden criminal justice system

The crisis-ridden criminal justice system is failing victims and defendants with huge court delays continuing to spiral.

www.lawsociety.org.uk

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 23, 2024

duffer said:
Gosh this is an easy one...

The rioters were prosecuted quickly and firmly because there was thought to be a significant risk of wide scale disorder that the Government felt it needed to control.

The airport incident doesn't represent the same level of threat to order, so is going through the extremely slow CPS process that most crimes follow.

If you're upset about it for some reason, I'd suggest you write to Starmer and Reeves to insist that the criminal justice system is in serious need of extra funds. Oh wait, those left-wing firebrands, the Law Society, have already done it.

Backlogs continue to spiral in crisis-ridden criminal justice system

The crisis-ridden criminal justice system is failing victims and defendants with huge court delays continuing to spiral.

www.lawsociety.org.uk

If it is an easy one, why aren't you getting it?

The airport incident was some of the biggest fuel on the fire for the rioting, and the sob stories from the perpetrators which were allowed to go out whilst they were locking other people up was ridiculous. Combine this with the Leeds riots and years of grooming gangs having the carpet lifted up for them to sweep it under was exactly why people felt that it was a different approach to a different set of people.

If you are going to go in hard on people during what was essentially a crime wave, then do it everywhere. You cannot look at this situation now and tell the people who suspect two-tier policing is a thing that their concerns are invalid. All this shit proves it correct.

Nick · Oct 23, 2024

Afghan asylum seeker who slapped a nurse and punched two police officers spared jail

An Afghan asylum seeker who slapped a nurse - and punched two police officers as they all tried to help him - has been spared jail by a judge.

www.readingchronicle.co.uk

It's ok to attack police, just don't say nasty things.

Grendel · Oct 23, 2024

duffer said:
Gosh this is an easy one...

The rioters were prosecuted quickly and firmly because there was thought to be a significant risk of wide scale disorder that the Government felt it needed to control.

The airport incident doesn't represent the same level of threat to order, so is going through the extremely slow CPS process that most crimes follow.

If you're upset about it for some reason, I'd suggest you write to Starmer and Reeves to insist that the criminal justice system is in serious need of extra funds. Oh wait, those left-wing firebrands, the Law Society, have already done it.

Backlogs continue to spiral in crisis-ridden criminal justice system

The crisis-ridden criminal justice system is failing victims and defendants with huge court delays continuing to spiral.

www.lawsociety.org.uk

What about those posting on social media - are they more than a threat than some thugs who start kicking off at an airport?

rob9872 · Oct 23, 2024

duffer said:
Gosh this is an easy one...

The rioters were prosecuted quickly and firmly because there was thought to be a significant risk of wide scale disorder that the Government felt it needed to control.

The airport incident doesn't represent the same level of threat to order, so is going through the extremely slow CPS process that most crimes follow.

If you're upset about it for some reason, I'd suggest you write to Starmer and Reeves to insist that the criminal justice system is in serious need of extra funds. Oh wait, those left-wing firebrands, the Law Society, have already done it.

Backlogs continue to spiral in crisis-ridden criminal justice system

The crisis-ridden criminal justice system is failing victims and defendants with huge court delays continuing to spiral.

www.lawsociety.org.uk

Lots of this is true, but the slow judicial process is around cases coming to court for trial after a not guilty plea. It shouldn't slow down being arrested and charged, which I don't believe has happened either yet. Also, the Prisons are full of people on remand awaiting trial. Again, to my knowledge, these guys aren't on remand either.

duffer · Oct 23, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If it is an easy one, why aren't you getting it?

The airport incident was some of the biggest fuel on the fire for the rioting, and the sob stories from the perpetrators were allowed to go out whilst they were locking other people up was ridiculous. Combine this with the Leeds riots and years of grooming gangs having the carpet lifted up for them to sweep it under was exactly why people felt that it was a different approach to a different set of people.

If you are going to go in hard on people during what was essentially a crime wave, then do it everywhere. You cannot look at this situation now and tell the people who suspect two-tier policing is a thing that their concerns are invalid. All this shit proves it correct.

You can believe whatever you need to mate. The rioters were trying to burn down hotels full of people, whereas these fuckwits were involved in the kind of incident that happens almost every Saturday night.

It's not a conspiracy, and if some arseholes thought the airport incident was some kind of justification for going on a far right wrecking spree, then they're dangerous idiots who got what they deserve.

In short, two tier my arse; no one (except the rioters) goes through the criminal system quickly these days, look again at the link I posted for evidence if you don't believe me.

It's just a bullshit excuse used to justify more far right bollocks.

"The police are scared to prosecute brown people" is the dog whistle here, it's racist bollocks, sorry.

fatso · Oct 23, 2024

Nick said:
Afghan asylum seeker who slapped a nurse and punched two police officers spared jail

An Afghan asylum seeker who slapped a nurse - and punched two police officers as they all tried to help him - has been spared jail by a judge.

www.readingchronicle.co.uk

It's ok to attack police, just don't say nasty things.

Exactly, this government will let sex offenders out in order to lock up someone who's been a bit of a twat on Facebook or twitter.

MalcSB · Oct 23, 2024

rob9872 said:
Lots of this is true, but the slow judicial process is around cases coming to court for trial after a not guilty plea. It shouldn't slow down being arrested and charged, which I don't believe has happened either yet. Also, the Prisons are full of people on remand awaiting trial. Again, to my knowledge, these guys aren't on remand either.

The prisons aren’t full, people are being picked up by Bentleys as they are released early.

MalcSB · Oct 23, 2024

duffer said:
You can believe whatever you need to mate. The rioters were trying to burn down hotels full of people, whereas these fuckwits were involved in the kind of incident that happens almost every Saturday night.

It's not a conspiracy, and if some arseholes thought the airport incident was some kind of justification for going on a far right wrecking spree, then they're dangerous idiots who got what they deserve.

In short, two tier my arse; no one (except the rioters) goes through the criminal system quickly these days, look again at the link I posted for evidence if you don't believe me.

It's just a bullshit excuse used to justify more far right bollocks.

"The police are scared to prosecute brown people" is the dog whistle here, it's racist bollocks, sorry.

Police left children at mercy of grooming gangs in Rochdale, review finds

A report criticises a series of failed investigations by Greater Manchester Police in Rochdale.

www.bbc.co.uk

wingy · Oct 23, 2024

MalcSB said:
The prisons aren’t full, people are being picked up by Bentleys as they are released early.

The average criminal can afford one easily nowadays, failing that it will be their briefs?

rob9872 · Oct 23, 2024

wingy said:
The average criminal can afford one easily nowadays, failing that it will be their briefs?

My briefs come with shitstains and holes, not Bentleys.

MalcSB · Oct 23, 2024

wingy said:
The average criminal can afford one easily nowadays, failing that it will be their briefs?

This one was an armed kidnapper. Crime obviously does pay.

rob9872 · Oct 23, 2024

MalcSB said:
This one was an armed kidnapper. Crime obviously does pay.

Armed. Armed with what? Bad breath, colourful language, feather duster ...

wingy · Oct 23, 2024

MalcSB said:
This one was an armed kidnapper. Crime obviously does pay.

I read it as one armed tbf, hilarious!

rob9872 · Oct 23, 2024

wingy said:
I read it as one armed tbf, hilarious!

Was he a bandit?

MalcSB · Oct 23, 2024

wingy said:
I read it as one armed tbf, hilarious!

Yes, this is absolutely fucking hilarious.

“Dad-of-two Dowling-Brooks, 29, told reporters he had been in prison for seven years for kidnap and grievous bodily harm of someone who owed money to his friend, and was leaving jail seven weeks earlier than planned.”

Nick · Oct 23, 2024

duffer said:
You can believe whatever you need to mate. The rioters were trying to burn down hotels full of people, whereas these fuckwits were involved in the kind of incident that happens almost every Saturday night.

It's not a conspiracy, and if some arseholes thought the airport incident was some kind of justification for going on a far right wrecking spree, then they're dangerous idiots who got what they deserve.

In short, two tier my arse; no one (except the rioters) goes through the criminal system quickly these days, look again at the link I posted for evidence if you don't believe me.

It's just a bullshit excuse used to justify more far right bollocks.

"The police are scared to prosecute brown people" is the dog whistle here, it's racist bollocks, sorry.

Genuine question though, how long does it usually take from arrest to being charged?

If assaulting a police officer is a summary only offense, don't they need to charge within 6 months?

SBAndy · Oct 23, 2024

MalcSB said:
Yes, this is absolutely fucking hilarious.

“Dad-of-two Dowling-Brooks, 29, told reporters he had been in prison for seven years for kidnap and grievous bodily harm of someone who owed money to his friend, and was leaving jail seven weeks earlier than planned.”

Jailed for 7 years and you’re getting your knickers in a twist over it being 6 years 45 weeks instead. Fucking hell.

MalcSB · Oct 23, 2024

SBAndy said:
Jailed for 7 years and you’re getting your knickers in a twist over it being 6 years 45 weeks instead. Fucking hell.

I thought that criminals convicted of violent crime weren’t going to be released early.

rob9872 · Oct 23, 2024

SBAndy said:
Jailed for 7 years and you’re getting your knickers in a twist over it being 6 years 45 weeks instead. Fucking hell.

I also think the mine and Wingys jokes may have been misinterpreted

MalcSB · Oct 23, 2024

rob9872 said:
I also think the mine and Wingys jokes may have been misinterpreted

Quite possible, but is violent crime ever a laughing matter?

MalcSB · Oct 23, 2024

SBAndy said:
Jailed for 7 years and you’re getting your knickers in a twist over it being 6 years 45 weeks instead. Fucking hell.

Don’t they deserve to get the full benefit of the period of rehabilitation they were prescribed?

GIMOC · Oct 23, 2024

duffer said:
You can believe whatever you need to mate. The rioters were trying to burn down hotels full of people, whereas these fuckwits were involved in the kind of incident that happens almost every Saturday night.

It's not a conspiracy, and if some arseholes thought the airport incident was some kind of justification for going on a far right wrecking spree, then they're dangerous idiots who got what they deserve.

In short, two tier my arse; no one (except the rioters) goes through the criminal system quickly these days, look again at the link I posted for evidence if you don't believe me.

It's just a bullshit excuse used to justify more far right bollocks.

"The police are scared to prosecute brown people" is the dog whistle here, it's racist bollocks, sorry.

well the evidence is clear for all to see

they kicked off at an airport. in other countries they would have been shot dead

you say this incident happens every Saturday night? I don’t see police getting their noses broke every Saturday night

the cps charged a copper quicker for murder than they have charged scumbags beating up the police

we all know the reason why the cps are reluctant to charge

rob9872 · Oct 23, 2024

MalcSB said:
Quite possible, but is violent crime ever a laughing matter?

Everything is a laughing matter if you allow it to be. Sometimes you just need to look a little deeper. In fairness I'd not even read the article and I doubt Wingy did either.

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 23, 2024

MalcSB said:
So, like the labour councillor advocating the cutting of throats on video, how can they possibly plead innocent.

Hopefully to be reflected in the sentence. If they ever come to trial, that is.

Agreed

Ring Of Steel · Oct 23, 2024

Nick said:
Genuine question though, how long does it usually take from arrest to being charged?

If assaulting a police officer is a summary only offense, don't they need to charge within 6 months?

It can literally take years.

MalcSB · Sunday at 8:24 AM

So after 4 months with no charges being laid by our two tier justice (I use the word loosely) system, Farage is going to bring a private prosecution against the thugs who broke a WPC nose and assaulted other armed police officers. All caught on camera, of course. Plenty of evidence you might have thought.

Meanwhile police investigate a journalists year old Twitter posts.

Sky Blue Pete · Sunday at 11:46 AM

MalcSB said:
So after 4 months with no charges being laid by our two tier justice (I use the word loosely) system, Farage is going to bring a private prosecution against the thugs who broke a WPC nose and assaulted other armed police officers. All caught on camera, of course. Plenty of evidence you might have thought.

Meanwhile police investigate a journalists year old Twitter posts.

He can’t

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