baldy
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Therefore the odd one coming off
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Therefore the odd one coming off
fernandopartridge
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Agreed
BlueSkiesForever
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Yeah that is the one I was thinking of when I corrected myself in typing “the odd one” rather than typing “never”, that was a great ball tbf but it’s just not frequent enough.
Mucca Mad Boys
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I’ll admit I’ve changed my tune on Eccles and see him as a potentially top Champ DM - the Leeds performance really highlighted that. However, I don’t think we’ll get promoted with Sheaf and Eccles playing in the same midfield in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. Neither has the game changing ability that Hamer had and it’s no coincidence we’re linked with multiple CMs on big money/wages. Either Sheaf or Eccles (if Saddles scoop is right) will be sold this window.
BlueSkiesForever
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I will say that he should stay, he’s clearly a valuable asset to us and he’s still young. I don’t want us to get rid of him, and I don’t feel like I’m blinded by any particular hatred for him, I just hope we can find better that can start week on week because atm we’re relying on him rather than just playing him because we can.
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I remember in the match before he did a similarly spectacular pass to van Ewijk. These things are invisible to some though.
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To an extent. He has more natural ability than Sheaf in my view.
shmmeee
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Alright let’s not go overboard.
TomRad85
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Eccles is good but as I said a few weeks ago, with some he's now in so underrated he's overrated territory. Could see him being the one to drop from the first 11 if we pull off this new signing. That said we'll have a far better squad that we'll be able to rotate more so 'first 11' may vary.
If we lose Sheaf he's very handy as he's quite similar but not quite as good.
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If we lose Sheaf he's very handy as he's quite similar but not quite as good.
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junglej13
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I like Eccles and he's a really versatile player. Unfortunately in the games where Sheaf hasn't played he has really struggled to step up and control a game in my opinion. Talented lad though and hopefully more to come from him.
fatso
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I'd say that if we can bring in a couple of better players that sees Eccles drop to the bench, then we'd be odds on for promotion.
skybluelee
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I can't read that in anything other than Barry Davies' voice.
JimmyHillsbeard
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Already been given Kelly’s squad number too
Skybluekyle
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Damn straight you can't
mark82
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Likewise we probably got some for Gyokeres.
Kneeza
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Damn.
Thought you said Bill Glazier.
Well to be fair if Glazer is anywhere as good as Glazier I would snap their hands off. Apparently he is the record holder for saves in a European Cup match
Mucca Mad Boys
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I believe there’s a lot of promotion add-ons too. Particularly on Simms deal, not as sure on Wright.
shmmeee
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Yeah I’d expect the bulk of the £4.5m for Simms to be based around promotion.
JoeCCFCPUSB
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We may well have spent that amount and received £32 for Gyok and Hamer. What people fair to understand is, the 2 assets (gyok & Hamer) cost the Club no more than £3 million pounds. We then made £29 million pound in pure profit and potentially more in sell on clauses etc.
Now if we look at Ben Sheaf, a player we signed for peanuts, he is now rumoured to be off for anything between £12-£16 million pounds
MVE is another player that in just a season has nearly trebled in value, Simms & Wright would both be sold for minimum £12 million each.
The clubs biggest money making outlet is purely recruitment, the people spending and lending our club the money to go out and spend cash to recruit players are solely focused on turning a profit.
In the eyes of us the fans we look at it as "wow we are building a really strong squad ready to challenge for promotion". In the eyes of Doug and all the financial big wigs they see it as a priority in order to achieve maximum returns, clubs are built entirely on this model.
Brighton is the most successful example of how spending money to make 4x the amount of money works. We are no different.
If we were truly and only focused on getting promoted we would have gone and done a Stoke City, gone and bought everyone and anyone that has some success in this division at some point, and when it fails we are left with players we can't shift for a profit or even the amount we signed them for.
Andy Turner is the typical circle around a topic, saying nothing of any sort of substance until after the fact journo.
I look at how our club has operated since Doug King and his crew have taken over, huge fees for 2 individuals followed by Torp, MVE, Sakamoto and Wright all brought in from across Europe, all with different nationalities, Wright and Sakamoto both from parts of the world that improve on a global scale. MVE has tripled in value, Sakamoto would be sold for double the fee we paid, Wright would be easily 6 or 7 million more and Torp will no doubt follow.
Simms is another one, bright future, huge potential and most importantly English tax when it comes to selling on value.
All this talk about our club not spending money i think it's nonsense, i think our only true method of success or promotion is from buying a MVE for £3.5m and selling him for £9m, rinse repeat and in the process making a stack of profits to allow the club to continue to aim higher when it comes to scouting players.
fernandopartridge
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I feel like we're more likely to play with 1 of them and 2 box to box players. Torp and another.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Agreed. This Stamenic, Sanches, Rudoni and even Browne are all players that are considered ‘box-to-box’, possibly Rudoni is the exception.
Both Sheaf and Eccles, for all of their tackling and passing, didn’t really impact the game in the box. Of those two, Sheaf is the better player and this is where my past criticisms have been misconstrued somewhat.
The analogy I’d like to put forward is this; Man City wanted to sign Declan Rice when they already had Rodri. They’re not going to play both those players at the same time and would look a better team having the likes of Silva, KDB and Gundogan (back then).
I wouldn’t.
I would expect at least 70% was the base fee. Add ons are normally the minority of a deal not the majority.
If he was doing it frequently he wouldn’t be playing for Coventry
Balli001
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Not what was reported in this case. Was £3.5m rising to £8m
We don’t actually know. It was undisclosed.
The Liverpool echo had the total package at between £6m-£8m. They are guessing too.
Mucca Mad Boys
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£3.5m upfront is a bargain for a 22-year old, 19 goal striker bearing mind he’d score 3 goals in 2023 for us.
Balli001
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I did say reported i didnt claim to know.
BlueSkiesForever
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But by that logic you’re almost saying we’re destined to have shit players that can’t make successful crosses frequently? Like why should we be grateful to have him if he can’t produce threatening attacks?
I want us to be in the prem, that’s all I care about, we should be aiming to get better and better players, not have ones that can’t cross balls into the box accurately. I’m not having a go at your personally but I think there’s too much favouritism for certain players on here.
BlueSkiesForever
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100% agree, as consistent as Eccles is (and I’m not saying we should sell him) he doesn’t provide enough oomph going forward. I get that his role isn’t to provide goals but when the opportunity arises he’s not accurate enough and doesn’t create enough assists or threatening chances.
It’s mainly Sheaf’s role to mop up play from the opposition, we can’t have all our midfielders soaking up attacks, we need our midfield to create more chances for our strikers/wingers to latch onto in my view.
shmmeee
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Deal was reported as £3,5m rising to £8m
Everton set to bank £3.5m from Ellis Simms transfer to Coventry City
Everton will bank an initial £3.5m for one completed Goodison Park exit in a deal that will feature staggered payments and could be worth up to £8m - iNews.
Where did I say he was shit?
You ain’t got much of a clue about football. Robins deems him good enough and I actually know the game and appreciate the qualities Eccles brings to the team