Mediation/arbitration (1 Viewer)

[Ashdown1]

Joined the forum this last month to do what...................defend the appalling actions of these miscreants !! I just don't want to hear their rubbish, they've made us a laughing stock !

 

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[NorthernWisdom]

And why is that?

Where did I say I wanted them to stay?

Where did I say i wanted them in the first place?

But perish the thought I suggest blind hero worship of a stadium company (a STADIUM COMPANY ffs) isn't the way forward either.

 

[Bennets Afro]

It's totally obvious what sisu try and do on these boards. 1+1 wisdom???? we can see straight through you and you sisu drivel

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Joined the forum this last month to do what...................defend the appalling actions of these miscreants !! I just don't want to hear their rubbish, they've made us a laughing stock !

Read again if you think I've defended their actions.

And sorry I didn't join earlier, with the warm welcome I'm amazed I didn't!

 

[Ashdown1]

Their is only blind hero worship of our football club established 1883 !! We want what's best for it and obviously that doesn't include a secretive company loading ridiculous amounts of debt against it !

 

[NorthernWisdom]

It's totally obvious what sisu try and do on these boards. 1+1 wisdom???? we can see straight through you and you sisu drivel

So we come out with this nonsense again:facepalm:

 

[Bennets Afro]

I want two things...

1) the football club and stadium under the control of the club

2) sisu to have nothing to do with any of it!!!

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Their is only blind hero worship of our football club established 1883 !! We want what's best for it and obviously that doesn't include a secretive company loading ridiculous amounts of debt against it !

And what's best for it might be getting an agreement that allows the club, whoever owns it, to stay in Coventry, no?

 

[Bennets Afro]

Why should it be an issue wisdom? ACL never locked the door. Sisu threaten to take the club away from cov!!!

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Why should it be an issue wisdom? ACL never locked the door. Sisu threaten to take the club away from cov!!!

It wouldn't be an issue if both sides agreed to legally binding arbitration.

 

[Bennets Afro]

It wouldn't be an issue if sisu paid legally binding rent while negotiating a more reasonable one then would it?

 

[NorthernWisdom]

It wouldn't be an issue if sisu paid legally binding rent while negotiating a more reasonable one then would it?

So you'd support arbitration if it found a solution then?

Because arbitration could look at the original rent agreement, and whether it was legal and, if so, whether the club had to pay what was due.

That'd be a good thing wouldn't it? ACL would get their rent, as they're confident any arbitrator would agree with the offer they've made they'd be bound to that, the club get a ground and everyone's happy?

That's a perfect solution isn't it? An independent legally binding deal that ensures the club have to pay their debts in full?

An arbitrator could always, after all, say the current rent deal was perfectly fine and, having signed up to the process, the club would have to accept that.

So where's the problem? The only problem could have been cost, but then sticking the club in administration, not getting the full debt owed back, maybe not getting any deal whatsoever. Well, that hasn't worked out has it?

 

[Bennets Afro]

The problem is trust regarding sisu. What's stopping them defaulting again after something was agreed???

They already been told by a court to top up this escrow account. This never happened did it???

 

[Bennets Afro]

Plus we all know its not about the rent. Just sisu trying to get control of the stadium

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Then there's their chance to give some actual evidence, as opposed to spin through the press.

I thought everyone wanted a solution? Yet reading through this thread it seems I'm the only one who would support an attempt to find a solution to still playing in Coventry

Yes you're right, everyone else has booked their season tickets to New St. The solution is for the club's owners to show humility and accept the last offer made as a goodwill gesture so trust can start to be rebuilt.

You talk about legally binding arbitration-was the statutory order made by ACL not just as so?

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Plus we all know its not about the rent. Just sisu trying to get control of the stadium

Well let's hope any owner other than SISU just wants to rent the place off ACL then.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So you'd support arbitration if it found a solution then?

Because arbitration could look at the original rent agreement, and whether it was legal and, if so, whether the club had to pay what was due.

That'd be a good thing wouldn't it? ACL would get their rent, as they're confident any arbitrator would agree with the offer they've made they'd be bound to that, the club get a ground and everyone's happy?

That's a perfect solution isn't it? An independent legally binding deal that ensures the club have to pay their debts in full?

An arbitrator could always, after all, say the current rent deal was perfectly fine and, having signed up to the process, the club would have to accept that.

So where's the problem? The only problem could have been cost, but then sticking the club in administration, not getting the full debt owed back, maybe not getting any deal whatsoever. Well, that hasn't worked out has it?

If it was illegal then the club wouldn't have signed it in 2005. They also wouldn't have demanded a non fluctuating rent.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Yes you're right, everyone else has booked their season tickets to New St. The solution is for the club's owners to show humility and accept the last offer made as a goodwill gesture so trust can start to be rebuilt.

So you'd support them if they accepted that offer, and then immediately tried to re-negotiate it?

 

[Bennets Afro]

We would all like the stadium under the control of the club but the way sisu went about it was just disgusting!!!!

 

[Bennets Afro]

So in re-negotiate, you mean stop paying as soon they agree??? Yeah that will work....

 

[James Smith]

So you'd support arbitration if it found a solution then?

Because arbitration could look at the original rent agreement, and whether it was legal and, if so, whether the club had to pay what was due.

That'd be a good thing wouldn't it? ACL would get their rent, as they're confident any arbitrator would agree with the offer they've made they'd be bound to that, the club get a ground and everyone's happy?

That's a perfect solution isn't it? An independent legally binding deal that ensures the club have to pay their debts in full?

An arbitrator could always, after all, say the current rent deal was perfectly fine and, having signed up to the process, the club would have to accept that.

So where's the problem? The only problem could have been cost, but then sticking the club in administration, not getting the full debt owed back, maybe not getting any deal whatsoever. Well, that hasn't worked out has it?

Tim Fisher suggested Mediation on the radio live on CWR and was then asked by Mr Linnell if he would be willing to abide by the results of any third party mediation Tim ducked giving an answer. Now why would that be?
:thinking about:

Now I know that Mediation isn't the same as arbitration but people here don't think mediation will work, and if he won`t agree to be bound by the results any third party decides on, what hope is there?

Wasn't only me who heard it either

Last night Tim Fisher did state he had asked ACL for mediation but only during a radio broadcast and on the clubs website, no direct request made to ACL with terms of reference or anything like that. I believe when Linnell pressed him on the radio on Saturday about abiding by any third party decision he avoided giving an answer - maybe someone could confirm that.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...Fisher-tonight?p=372993&viewfull=1#post372993

 

[NorthernWisdom]

If it was illegal then the club wouldn't have signed it in 2005. They also wouldn't have demanded a non fluctuating rent.

You could ask many questions about the deal if you wanted to.

I'm sure it was all above board, I hasten to add. After all, nobody had a bad word to say about the previous boards of the club.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Now I know that Mediation isn't the same as arbitration but people here don't think mediation will work, and if he won`t agree to be bound by the results any third party decides on what hope is there?

Mediation would be a waste of time where we are now, as neither side would have to be bound by it. It might have worked at some stage, but the trust levels are too far gone in my opinion for it to be worth doing.

That applies on both sides as well. i think it's fair to say the club trust ACL as little as ACL trust the club.

 

[Bennets Afro]

So how can sisu get the trust of ACL back then?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You could ask many questions about the deal if you wanted to.

I'm sure it was all above board, I hasten to add. After all, nobody had a bad word to say about the previous boards of the club.

Nah you're right we should just put PWKH in a stock and pelt him with rotten tomatoes until he admits that the rent is illegal. Then we can give Fishy the keys to the city.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

So how can sisu get the trust of ACL back then?

Sign up to legally binding arbitration.

Move the process on beyond 'they said this wa wa waaaa'.

Have both sides agree to do negotiating through the arbitrator rather than through the press.

Sit down and talk.

That requires both sides to commit and make the step that shows they want to find a solution.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Nah you're right we should just put PWKH in a stock and pelt him with rotten tomatoes until he admits that the rent is illegal. Then we can give Fishy the keys to the city.

You were quite happy with all the actions of the previous board then? Nothing at all odd about any of their decisions? Nothing you'd want challenging if the opportunity arose?

I don't see why bringing PWKH into that is at all relevant unless you know something I don't?

 

[Bennets Afro]

What do you know then?

 

[James Smith]

Sign up to legally binding arbitration.

Move the process on beyond 'they said this wa wa waaaa'.

Have both sides agree to do negotiating through the arbitrator rather than through the press.

Sit down and talk.

That requires both sides to commit and make the step that shows they want to find a solution.

You seem to be selectively choosing segments from my posts and missing this bit:
And when Tim was asked if he'd accept a binding agreement from a third party live on the radio he evaded the question and didn't answer.

So if he can't say yes or no to that simple question how can he possibly sign up to arbitration?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You were quite happy with all the actions of the previous board then? Nothing at all odd about any of their decisions? Nothing you'd want challenging if the opportunity arose?

I don't see why bringing PWKH into that is at all relevant unless you know something I don't?

To suggest that the rent deal was devised with illegal intent is a serious allegation NW. Although how rent can be 'illegal' in the first place I'm not so sure.

 

[James Smith]

To suggest that the rent deal was devised with illegal intent is a serious allegation NW. Although how rent can be 'illegal' in the first place I'm not so sure.

Easy - now in a cockney accent, all together:

The rent was criminal your 'onnor.

:facepalm:

 

[NorthernWisdom]

What do you know then?

I don't know anything about PWKH's involvement with the previous board of Coventry City.

As far as I'm aware he has behaved perfectly properly in his dealings as representative of the Higgs Charity, balloon-gate aside, so I don't really see why he's been brought into it.

That's not really relevant as to whether you'd want to ask questions about whether the previous board did everything for the good of the club, and whther you'd trust them to sign a lease that would stand up to scrutiny by an independent body. I seem to remember a fair few questioning them after all, don't you?

 

[wingy]

You were quite happy with all the actions of the previous board then? Nothing at all odd about any of their decisions? Nothing you'd want challenging if the opportunity arose?

I don't see why bringing PWKH into that is at all relevant unless you know something I don't?

Are you insinuating to be in the know?

 

[NorthernWisdom]

To suggest that the rent deal was devised with illegal intent is a serious allegation NW. Although how rent can be 'illegal' in the first place I'm not so sure.

I didn't say that:facepalm:

 

[Bennets Afro]

That's what I was asking wingy not about pkwh