Mediation talks underway

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  1. chiefdave

    chiefdave Well-Known Member

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    Is it Chelsea where the trust owns the pitch so the ground can never be sold without their approval. Council could have done something like that.
     
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    Oh easy. They'd have given the half share of acl back free of charge on a long term payback loan and extended the lease to 250 years when fletcher took the club on. No sisu then. Instead sisu were the councils preferred partner.
     
  3. torchomatic

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    Ah, but we don't mention that. Just the stuff SISU did. We will soon seen the phrases "no choice", "backed into a corner", "what else were they supposed to do?", etc etc.
     
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  4. SkyBlueZack

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    What did the council put in? They called all the shots. Veto for them but not higgs? Why was that? Was the rent deal agreed upon what you have stated? Was it not based on HR rental cost? The grants the council got would they have been in part because of the cities football team being there? Sporting argument for funding? Although the council received it, should that not in part be attributed to the club? Thing is, it just isn't as simple as sisu, cake, biggest slice as you like to put it.
     
  5. Sky Blue Pete

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    Where does that get us chief? John mutton and Ann Lucas. I hear a lot of shit spoken about these two. What I know for certain is that they both supported our club for decades and John still attends.

    Fisher and Seppalla fans? They want the club to succeed more than fans of decades?

    Come on
     
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  6. Sky Blue Pete

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    Not at all but fundamentally the only people that can do anything to halt this demise are the owners and they don't give a shit torch
     
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  7. torchomatic

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    I've supported the club for decades. So what? There's support and there's support. We needed more than them turning up every other week to watch a football match.

    And don't ruin it for yourself by saying there are Fisher and Seppalla fans, there are not. I'm sure you are older than 12.
     
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    And it is patently obvious that the Council don't either. What's your point? That it is SISU 100% to blame?
     
  9. SkyBlueZack

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    They own the club. Blah blah.

    Quite clearly despite not owning the club, other parties are playing a big part in our demise. Can't we accept that and find a way to challenge each party in the most appropriate way?
     
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  10. Sky Blue Pete

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    I have challenged individuals in the council and the answer is they can't trust a word that is said. How have you challenged them torch or Zack?

    Mutton and Lucas are fans call me 12 if you like. They want the best for the club like you and I. Why have they deliberately sabotaged it ever being able to stand on its own feet?
     
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    do the owners of the Butts know that they are involved in a mediation meeting?
     
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  12. riyadhskyblue

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    Torchmatic, of course the owners are not to blame for everything, there was blame to be apportioned in all directions. I just believe that the owners are antagonistic and have behaved irresponsibly in their dealings with other stakeholders. There was and is an alternative way to interact with all parties.
     
  13. SkyBlueZack

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    Because they hate sisu more than they love the club?
    They don't love the club, they love themselves. People cheering and congratulating them only add to their over inflated sense of self importance.
    Are we forgetting AL comment about it being her day yesterday when the wasps deal was being done? Has JS ever said anything so arrogant? (Granted, would be hard, she hasn't said anything). That would show she's not in it for the adulation though.
     
  14. Sky Blue Pete

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    Fair enough that's not my take on my discussions with them. They absolutely distrust Sisu no question.
     
  15. SkyBlueZack

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    Then they could have found an alternative. Not shafted the club and it's future. Hardly screams out they love the club.

    Oh and people who receive rugby world cup tickets as gifts from potential partners. Then bend the rules at their own ethics committee, hardly screams trustworthy either.
     
  16. Sky Blue Pete

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    Show me someone who has complete integrity Zack.

    Which is why one has to ask the question I think
     
  17. Sky Blue Pete

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    Cos I know they do and always have
     
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    Know they do what? Bend the rules to suit themselves? Is that not what sisu do? Use loopholes and litigation to get what they want?

    They are as bad as each other. Again, can we not agree on a way to challenge all parties in the most appropriate way?
     
  19. Sky Blue Pete

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    Course Zack. How's that going? I know they love the sky blues and have for decades
     
  20. SkyBlueZack

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    Surely you would expect a councillor to have integrity. To not receive gifts in exchange for favours. To then not adjust the rules to hide their guilt.
    IMO.
     
  21. SkyBlueZack

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    Saying they love the club is like TF saying joy does. It's absolute drivel. They sold our club down the river in favour of a London rugby club. That is not loving the club.
    As mentioned they could have spoken to the trust. They could have spoken to CRFC. Hell, they could of pulled their finger out and made the ricoh viable.
     
  22. Sky Blue Pete

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    Why Zack? Do you have complete integrity? Why should they be held to any higher standards than you or I?

    I would like to think they would of course but I've realised living a naive existence believing the best in all those around you is insane
     
  23. Sky Blue Pete

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    Course it's not the same as saying joy does. They were born and brought up in Coventry and followed their club and served the council for decades between them. What's hard to see?
     
  24. chiefdave

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    Councillors should be held to a high standard. Certainly a higher standard than a hedge fund. They are there to serve the public and should be answerable to them.
     
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    I try my best yes. I certainly don't make false statements like AL, Reeves and West did about the financial state of ACL. I don't just criticise SISU for moving our club hut also wasps for moving theirs. I don't accept gifts in exchange for favours.
    The world is a shit place with some really shit people in. People worse than the council and SISU. Does that mean I should just give up on being the best person I can be?
     
  26. Sky Blue Pete

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    Absolutely not Zack that's not what we're discussing. Our club is all but dead and I want someone to sort it out and can't see any solution that doesn't start with the hedge fund and Tim leaving
     
  27. SkyBlueZack

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    It's hard to see because it's just words. Anyone who loved the club wouldn't have sold it's stadium to a London rugby club. Then approved said rugby clubs training application which puts the clubs academy under threat. Don't care what they say or how long they had a season ticket. These actions speak volumes.
     
  28. Sky Blue Pete

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    They do if you assume they can't possibly love the club, if you assume they do love the club it changes it slightly doesn't it?
     
  29. hutch1972

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    Believe me pete , I don't trust a word they come out with either. AL gave up supporting the club when she couldn't veto the signing of someone who had been convicted and punished of a crime.
    TBF though , there are very few council members who I do believe.
     
  30. SkyBlueZack

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    We were discussing integrity and whether anyone can have complete integrity. You were attempting to take blame off AL and JM because they had season tickets. I gave my opinion on that. Well swerved though.
     
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    So they love the club. To show this they moved a London rugby club into it's stadium and academy. Still not seeing it.
     
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    Maybe all parties would be better served in a meditation meeting, in keeping with the peace and reconciliation mantra?
     
  33. thekidfromstrettoncamp

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    I just hope that everyone agrees to sit and discuss all the issues but I think that it will be the Ricoh that will be the best deal to be made as Wasps need us to help get a better deal on stadium naming but will fall down on J R 2.Will Wasps and all the other parties want to talk have they agreed to do so .I notice that they (SISU) have already started trying to tell the council what they must do before they have even got round the table
     
  34. hutch1972

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    So they were both within council over the many decades while the gas towers stood tall surrounded by wasteland. Since the 1970s ccc had tried and failed to find anyone or anything to use that area.
    Without the football club there would still be gas towers there now.
    I realise the council put in 20mill but please don't anyone say without that it would never have been finished. It may have taken longer but it would have happened council money or not.
     
  35. Sky Blue Pete

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    What did I swerve Zack?
     

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