hutch1972
Well-Known Member
Which they failed to do over THIRTY YEARS of trying.
Which they failed to do over THIRTY YEARS of trying.They bailed nobody out. They wanted the stadium built as much as anybody to realise their own regeneration objectives.
I think that's correct about it not being in the best interests of ccfc
Sorry, your post was a jumping point, not on at you in particular.
FWIW, my own view is that I don't know.
I don't know what the financial viablilty of the Ricoh or the club are. I'm not a stadium management company and I don't run a hedge fund. I'm a CCFC fan and I want us on an even keel. If the people that are in the know (the owners) say that we can't make the Ricoh work, then let's find somewhere else. If the owners of the Ricoh can't offer us a deal that works then let's look somewhere else.
Yet there seems to be this bitterness towards Wasps because "they took our stadium", yet at the same time a belief that the stadium was the cause of all our ills. (FWIW, I don't think your view on the inception of the Ricoh is quite right, but that's another discussion). Similarly there's a belief that CCC want to destroy the club, yet a wish for the Council to do "another Ricoh" with the Butts or somewhere else.
Rather than getting all emotional, I just wish people would realise that different organisations have different priorities and responsibilities and the only people legally and morally who have a duty of care to CCFC are it's fans and it's owners. CCC's repsonsibility is to the tax payers of Coventry and the cold hard truth is that while a successful club is a nice thing to have, it's not their core business.
Pete is also right on a personal level that CCC is mostly made up of lifelong CCFC fans, and not in fact cartoon villians.
Sorry, your post was a jumping point, not on at you in particular.
FWIW, my own view is that I don't know.
I don't know what the financial viablilty of the Ricoh or the club are. I'm not a stadium management company and I don't run a hedge fund. I'm a CCFC fan and I want us on an even keel. If the people that are in the know (the owners) say that we can't make the Ricoh work, then let's find somewhere else. If the owners of the Ricoh can't offer us a deal that works then let's look somewhere else.
Yet there seems to be this bitterness towards Wasps because "they took our stadium", yet at the same time a belief that the stadium was the cause of all our ills. (FWIW, I don't think your view on the inception of the Ricoh is quite right, but that's another discussion). Similarly there's a belief that CCC want to destroy the club, yet a wish for the Council to do "another Ricoh" with the Butts or somewhere else.
Rather than getting all emotional, I just wish people would realise that different organisations have different priorities and responsibilities and the only people legally and morally who have a duty of care to CCFC are it's fans and it's owners. CCC's repsonsibility is to the tax payers of Coventry and the cold hard truth is that while a successful club is a nice thing to have, it's not their core business.
Pete is also right on a personal level that CCC is mostly made up of lifelong CCFC fans, and not in fact cartoon villians.
COVENTRY City Council leader George Duggins has indicated the council will NOT be taking part in new mediation talks involving MPs aimed at resolving the long-running Sky Blues dispute and keeping the club in Coventry.
CCC playing right into SISU's hands.
However, the Council does not have any influence over where the Club plays or the location of its training academy/training facility. These are matters for the Football Club to raise with the relevant parties.
CCC playing right into SISU's hands.
Must be as he always has stated.
Drop the legal action and payback costs first.
Wasps will take that same stance.
So looks like we either drop the legal action or play in another town.
Yep, back in September. Said if SISU paid the council £325 it could help.He has indicated before they have hasn't he?
Now, council leader George Duggins has told the Telegraph club owners Sisu must pay the local authority the money before it will offer assistance with issues such as extending CCFC’s stay at the Ricoh Arena or securing the future of the Sky Blues’ under-threat Academy.
Yep, back in September. Said if SISU paid the council £325 it could help.
Must be as he always has stated.
Drop the legal action and payback costs first.
Wasps will take that same stance.
So looks like we either drop the legal action or play in another town.
You would have thought so. What use is we won't go to mediation unless you agree to our terms before we start!I thought the mediation was for all sides to talk and reach some sort of peace?
You would have thought so. What use is we won't go to mediation unless you agree to our terms before we start!
I thought the mediation was for all sides to talk and reach some sort of peace?
Blackmail then?
I bet the letter to the FL is in the post as we speak showing them how there's no choice
Because we have an arrogant Council? Been around so long they think they can do anything they want?
Yes they do seem capable of fighting their own corner alright, when under attack.
They need wasps to succeed at all costs purely to justify the crass decision they made by giving them the stadium.That's a good post shmmeee.
Personally I'm not asking for the Council to do another Ricoh in terms of putting public money in, I'm just asking them to support us finding somewhere else within the city given that the Ricoh is looking less and less like an option. At the moment everything the council does appears to be antagonistic towards the club (e.g. attempting to completely block the possiblity of playing at the Butts).
As to the other stuff, if having CCFC in the city isn't that important to the council, then why was it so important to have Wasps here? Whatever money Wasps brings into the city would be dwarfed by a successful football team.
I absolutely agree that most councillors and officers aren't cartoon villains (with the possible exception of Maton, who if not a villain is at least a bit of a clown). However I believe I can make a pretty fair case that as a corporate body they've made statements and decisions that vary between wildly hypocritical, plain dumb, and flat-out lies.
How easily forgotten is the supposed red-line issue that every councillor signed up to, that selling to Wasps would not harm CCFC?
As for Wasps themselves, my bitterness towards them is primarily that they're a franchise and I can't tolerate that. Next to that is the fact that not only have they got the stadium, which I can't begrudge them buying at the price offered, but that they've also taken our Academy - which I don't believe they really needed to do. Then on top you've got the bullshit about damaging the pitch. Other than that, they're a great team with a genuinely decent bloke as a coach, and the way they market and sell their product is an object lesson to our owners.
CCC and Wasps have always said they won't take part in any talks unless the legal action is dropped.
Jon Sharpe has always said he won't deal with SISU and nothing will happen unless all sides are talking and peace breaks out.
When is jr2 anyway ?
What has always appeared odd to me was that going in to the meeting it was said to be very close. Then there was a meeting, with Wasps in attendance, at which no minutes or record of any sort was kept. After that it was suddenly a unanimous vote. What the hell happened in that meeting?When the sale was initially voted through , there must have been some councillors who were in 2 minds.
What has always appeared odd to me was that going in to the meeting it was said to be very close. Then there was a meeting, with Wasps in attendance, at which no minutes or record of any sort was kept. After that it was suddenly a unanimous vote. What the hell happened in that meeting?
What has always appeared odd to me was that going in to the meeting it was said to be very close. Then there was a meeting, with Wasps in attendance, at which no minutes or record of any sort was kept. After that it was suddenly a unanimous vote. What the hell happened in that meeting?
Pretty much all the local media were reporting it to be a very close vote. Certainly the CT and CWR.Who said it was very close Chief?
Pretty much all the local media were reporting it to be a very close vote. Certainly the CT and CWR.
It was supposed to be a free vote who knows.Well, they were either wrong, or the "Councillors will not be given a free vote and will vote in accordance with their party" had an effect?
I can only think that the conditions regarding ccfc etc were put to wasps , which they duly agreed to.What has always appeared odd to me was that going in to the meeting it was said to be very close. Then there was a meeting, with Wasps in attendance, at which no minutes or record of any sort was kept. After that it was suddenly a unanimous vote. What the hell happened in that meeting?
Yes I know there is a legal dispute with CCC about the Ricoh, but that's got nothing to do with CCFC now saying they want to ground share at the BPA.
Yes, you are totally wrong.Can anyone clear this up?
Nonsense the club are joint claimants. The club, Otium Entertainment Ltd, trading as Coventry City Football Club are named in the legal documents.
Yes, you are totally wrong.
Fisher says lots of things, I don't believe any of it. The only actions definitely ongoing is JR2 & selling Ryton.Yes I know they are but that's in relation to JR2, my point is that CCFC say they don't want to stay at the Ricoh anymore and want to play at the BPA. Fair enough, but what's gone wrong with that so far? Nothing as nothing has been proposed to the council to refuse yet, so what's to mediate about?
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