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[italiahorse]

you're mad Italia!

How?
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Ask yourself. Could Sisu do more to get us out of here ?

 

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[skybluetony176]

Fair enough I've not done that analysis but still find it far fetched. Why didn't Mowbray mention it? Can't remember whether he or Mowbray went first

Just thinking back FP maybe TM did say something. I can remember a couple of post match interviews where Mowbrays responses to certain questions was to refer them to Chris Anderson pointing out that he was the statistion. Maybe there was more in that comment than first meets the eye. Can’t say I listen to every post match managers interviews but I recall him saying the same thing on a couple of occasions but he may have said it more.

 

[Nick]

Ask yourself. Could Sisu do more to get us out of here ?

That doesn't have anything at all with what you were asked.

Madness.

 

[skybluetony176]

Ask yourself. Could Sisu do more to get us out of here ?

CVD is right, you are mad but on this particular question you have a point. They could take an interest in the club like they want it to succeed by choice. They’re Zombie owners. Come the end of the season they may need to make a contribution to balance the books in line with governance but that wouldn’t be by choice so shouldn’t be sold as them some how backing the club and manager. I doubt they will need to this season though given the FA cup run.

 

[Nick]

CVD is right, you are mad but on this particular question they could take an interest in the club like they want it to succeed by choice. They’re Zombie owners. Come the end of the season they may need to make a contribution to balance the books in line with governance but that wouldn’t be choice so shouldn’t be sold as them some how backing the club and manager. I doubt they will need to this season though given the FA cup run.

I've also said all along (and in this thread) it isn't them suddenly throwing loads of money at Robins but only a handful of people have said that. Pretty sure most understand it's just at this level we are more competitive naturally.

Of course there is still the line where players need to take blame, then there is the line where the managers need to take blame also.

Italia is just like the guy who went mad about SISU at the game where Murphy missed a penalty blaming them for it and when people shout like that it does detract away from things.

 

[clint van damme]

Ask yourself. Could Sisu do more to get us out of here ?

Of course they can, loads more. But if Robins makes a change like Kelly in the middle for Bayliss that's on him and it's mad to say other wise.

 

[Grendel]

Ask yourself. Could Sisu do more to get us out of here ?

Any owner could. An owner could lend its club a couple of million and it could still fail - then what?

If it’s to be believed Mansfield have ploughed a lot into the club. It’s still not definitely going to succeed.

Do you want our debt mountain to increase again?

 

[skybluetony176]

Any owner could. An owner could lend its club a couple of million and it could still fail - then what?

If it’s to be believed Mansfield have ploughed a lot into the club. It’s still not definitely going to succeed.

Do you want our debt mountain to increase again?

If the owners were concerned about our debt mountain increasing they wouldn’t keep applying interest to it. Lots of owners lend clubs money interest free and then write debt down by choice when the gamble hasn’t paid off. Lots of owners can’t do that so spend time, energy and effort in making the club successful, Accrington being the topical example.

Our owners do neither of those things. They’re a hindrance in every way possible. The debt mountain growing is irrelevant, it’s happening anyway without investment.

 

[italiahorse]

Sisu could

Any owner could. An owner could lend its club a couple of million and it could still fail - then what?

If it’s to be believed Mansfield have ploughed a lot into the club. It’s still not definitely going to succeed.

Do you want our debt mountain to increase again?

In for £50M in for £52M so yes.
Keep it keen at the start of the season and if you are still in the mix in January just speculate a bit.
We are going to struggle from now on.

 

[Nick]

Sisu could
In for £50M in for £52M so yes.
Keep it keen at the start of the season and if you are still in the mix in January just speculate a bit.
We are going to struggle from now on.

We probably will if Joy keeps getting the starting 11 and formation wrong.

 

[italiahorse]

We probably will if Joy keeps getting the starting 11 and formation wrong.

Your persisting with this.
If Robins has had to compromise on the team he wants can he be blamed ?
if his resources are limited and has to switch the formation to rest players can he be blamed?
Okay any manager can make mistakes but should learn from it.
It's not worth sacking him for where we are though.
Having said that I assume he took the job knowing the situation so okay your sort of right

 

[Nick]

Your persisting with this.
If Robins has had to compromise on the team he wants can he be blamed ?
if his resources are limited and has to switch the formation to rest players can he be blamed?
Okay any manager can make mistakes but should learn from it.
It's not worth sacking him for where we are though.
Having said that I assume he took the job knowing the situation so okay your sort of right

What do you mean if robins has to compromise on the team he wants? He is a league 2 manager.

Every team will have resources that are limited, we have one of the largest squads in the league.

He didn't rest players, he brought in players who were unfit and moved our best central midfielder out wide.

It's madness how much you try to scrape the barrel.

 

[Esoterica]

When SISU finally go and whoever picks us up runs us properly at break even, some of our fans are going to be in for a right royal rude awakening.

 

[clint van damme]

Your persisting with this.
If Robins has had to compromise on the team he wants can he be blamed ?
if his resources are limited and has to switch the formation to rest players can he be blamed?
Okay any manager can make mistakes but should learn from it.
It's not worth sacking him for where we are though.
Having said that I assume he took the job knowing the situation so okay your sort of right

He didn't rest Bayliss though did he?

And you've quoted Nick, who, like me, has consistently said he doesn't want Robins sacked so why mention it?

Robins was getting similar questions asked after our iffy home form earlier in the year and he sorted it so it's not wrong to ask questions about the away form.

 

[clint van damme]

When SISU finally go and whoever picks us up runs us properly at break even, some of our fans are going to be in for a right royal rude awakening.

true, but if they sort out where we're playing and can demonstrate some sort of viable long term plan for improving the club I'll live with it. If they actually care then that would be a massive bonus but I don't want to ask for too much!!

 

[steve82]

What short memories you all have

Mark Robins walked out on us when we were in our first season in Div 3 , we were doing ok , he had won manager of the month in the previous month we had a real chance to get back into the championship. Pure greed and disrespect for CCFC meant he left us with you know who in charge. I cannot forgive him , will not forgive him for that . Looking back it was a very disruptive event that led to our eventual decline into D4 as we missed the chance to get back in the Championship, lost players etc.

Make no mistake the first opportunity he will jump ship here for any self motivated reasons.

Hmmmm

I personally forgive MR and hold nothing against a young manager stepping up a level to manage Huddersfield and walking away from CCFC after lack of assurances from his employers and taking a stable job.

Let's not forget weeks later after he left the club is given a 10 point deduction and months later announced it was to play its home games at sixfields and started the season with a further 10 point deduction.

Was he right with his instincts to take another job?

I think we all would in such a cut throat business where your shelf life is short don't you?

 

[rupert_bear]

Can’t see us getting rid of sisu anytime soon unless some sugar daddy turns up with silly money, Why would they ?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Somebody must have hurt you very badly! you may not be able to forget but you can't forgive him?
it wasn't personal that he left any more it was personal that we sacked Slade, it was business.
As for it being disruptive then I believe it is way down the list of reasons why we are where we are. Are you forgetting that two years ago we were in a prime position to go up to the championship? Would Robin have got credit for that?

I wouldn't say we were, I don't even think we were in the play off places were we? Although we had recovered well from a horrendous start to the season we were in 8th place and 7 points off the play off places when he left having checked up. We did get within a point of the play offs having played 2 games more by the end of January 2013.

I'm willing to give Robins the benefit of the doubt, it annoyed me greatly when he left but considering what came in the months following that, you cannot really blame him.

 

[italiahorse]

Can’t see us getting rid of sisu anytime soon unless some sugar daddy turns up with silly money, Why would they go ?

They won't go if there might still be something in it for them.
Get the legals out the way then there is no point staying.

 

[italiahorse]

true, but if they sort out where we're playing and can demonstrate some sort of viable long term plan for improving the club I'll live with it. If they actually care then that would be a massive bonus but I don't want to ask for too much!!

The debt is internal to Sisu so anything above the clubs worth is goodwill.

 

[italiahorse]

What do you mean if robins has to compromise on the team he wants? He is a league 2 manager.

Every team will have resources that are limited, we have one of the largest squads in the league.

He didn't rest players, he brought in players who were unfit and moved our best central midfielder out wide.

It's madness how much you try to scrape the barrel.

If I didn't know better (element of doubt) it sounds as the only people not to blame here are Sisu ?

 

[Nick]

If I didn't know better (element of doubt) it sounds as the only people not to blame here are Sisu ?

In a thread about manager's decisions they probably aren't to blame.

In a thread about a made up stadium you would get the opposite answer.

It's not rocket science is it? If in doubt, give it the SISU lover line after you have spoken absolute shite all through the thread.

 

[italiahorse]

In a thread about manager's decisions they probably aren't to blame.

In a thread about a made up stadium you would get the opposite answer.

It's not rocket science is it?

No, It's a thread about sacking the manager.
Sacking a manager that is working within constraints by the owners.

 

[Nick]

No, It's a thread about sacking the manager.
Sacking a manager that is working within constraints by the owners.

I've already said I don't want him sacked, you are the one saying it is the owners fault for tactical decisions that Robins makes.

That's why people are saying that isn't their fault or down to them.

I still remember when you were abusing people and going frothy on them for not supporting SISU aswell, now it's they are to blame for tactical decisions.

 

[italiahorse]

I've already said I don't want him sacked, you are the one saying it is the owners fault for tactical decisions that Robins makes.

That's why people are saying that isn't their fault or down to them.

I still remember when you were abusing people and going frothy on them for not supporting SISU aswell, now it's they are to blame for tactical decisions.

Never abused anybody on here.
If putting opinions and what I know in front of people, then guilty as charged.

On Sisu I thought they started okay but messed up big time. I can't stick with my original assessment once they moved us.

 

[Covstu]

They won't go if there might still be something in it for them.
Get the legals out the way then there is no point staying.

They will go when someone meets their valuation of the club, at the moment any bid has been poles apart from what they feel the club is worth. Lets face it, a League 2 club with little to no assets isn't attractive to a buyer unless they are a city fan

 

[Nick]

Never abused anybody on here.
If putting opinions and what I know in front of people, then guilty as charged.

Which is like me putting what I know on a forum for brain surgeons.

Your posts were more pro sisu than anybody else's put together on here, demanding people support them ( not ccfc)

Now you try to give it the sisu lover act if people don't blame them for robins making a bad decision.

 

[oucho]

Are basically going to go through this debate every time we lose/draw and/or drop out of the top 7 even if we're only a win away from the auto spots?

 

[clint van damme]

Are basically going to go through this debate every time we lose/draw and/or drop out of the top 7 even if we're only a win away from the auto spots?

debating the managers decisions on a football forum, crazy eh?

 

[italiahorse]

They will go when someone meets their valuation of the club, at the moment any bid has been poles apart from what they feel the club is worth. Lets face it, a League 2 club with little to no assets isn't attractive to a buyer unless they are a city fan

They know exactly what the club is worth. I think they want tens of millions above that.
I would sooner new owners buy it at its worth and loose the £20M say on getting us up the leagues.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Italia can you go back to your extended leave again please?

 

[Covstu]

Are basically going to go through this debate every time we lose/draw and/or drop out of the top 7 even if we're only a win away from the auto spots?

pretty much.......

 

[italiahorse]

Italia can you go back to your extended leave again please?

Difficult, I have so much to give.
I was still watching but couldn't be arsed until someone mentioned me.

 

[Covstu]

They know exactly what the club is worth. I think they want tens of millions above that.
I would sooner new owners buy it at its worth and loose the £20M say on getting us up the leagues.

personally I would rather be in the championship and have to pay an additional £20m

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I wouldn't say we were, I don't even think we were in the play off places were we? Although we had recovered well from a horrendous start to the season we were in 8th place and 7 points off the play off places when he left having checked up. We did get within a point of the play offs having played 2 games more by the end of January 2013.

I'm willing to give Robins the benefit of the doubt, it annoyed me greatly when he left but considering what came in the months following that, you cannot really blame him.

Given the very existence of threads like this, I wouldn't begrudge any manager who upped and left.

Imagine the outcry if we were doing badly!

Wonder how Adams's career would have turned out if he'd insisted on speaking to West Brom rather than hanging around for Operation Premiership.