Moulding a team in His image (2 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

That money was the worst thing that happened to us.

 

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[clint van damme]

Could argue he was putting himself in the shop window in that united game

Could argue all sorts of shit, doesn't mean its true.
His numbers and general performances were good, yes there were some duff ones, but he was,also coming back from a long term injury. Impossible to discount the affect that could have had.

 

[Matt smith]

Could argue all sorts of shit, doesn't mean its true.
His numbers and general performances were good, yes there were some duff ones, but he was,also coming back from a long term injury. Impossible to discount the affect that could have had.

No agreed, around January/Feb was carrying us

 

[Evo1883]

Also if things are to be believed

Luton (prem at time) wanted sheaf
Brentford wanted simms
PSV wanted MVE


How true ? Who knows

 

[Para1140]

Doug needs to realise that his strategy of buy young and improve will only work with a mixture of signings, Robins himself has mentioned the characters have all been moved on, if we don't get the balance right and get a couple of leaders in the dressing room, King will not see a return on his investment in players. I'd be very interested to know just how much of a say Robins has in transfers now. I think previously Robins said what type of player he wanted and presented with a list. Now it seems the opposite where the signings are presented to Robins. He seems to mention about Austin putting his neck on the line each time we make a signing...

Sunderland have tried the buy young to sell for a profit the last two seasons and it was evident that it didnt work. This season they have bought Brown and a couple of other more experienced players in and look at the difference as much as it pains me to say it. Not signing Brown was a massive fck up by us

 

[wingy]

Also if things are to be believed

Luton (prem at time) wanted sheaf
Brentford wanted simms
PSV wanted MVE


How true ? Who knows

Demotivating really in terms of Sheaf to know your not wanted and not worth it really I think?

 

[blunted]

Doug needs to realise that his strategy of buy young and improve will only work with a mixture of signings, Robins himself has mentioned the characters have all been moved on, if we don't get the balance right and get a couple of leaders in the dressing room, King will not see a return on his investment in players. I'd be very interested to know just how much of a say Robins has in transfers now. I think previously Robins said what type of player he wanted and presented with a list. Now it seems the opposite where the signings are presented to Robins. He seems to mention about Austin putting his neck on the line each time we make a signing...

It has been said we have an elite set up now like the Prem clubs. Managers ask for what they want but rarely get the final say. Don't know, but that may be the case now with MR.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Just seems like one of them managers who is fantastic building a seige mentality and getting the best out of alright players, yet shits the bed and doesnt have a clue when given money and options

We all always wondered what Robins would be like with a war chest

Turns out the answer is, shite

Didn’t he do the same when he went to Huddersfield?

 

[Evo1883]

Didn’t he do the same when he went to Huddersfield?

No they spent around 3 million pound the season he left .. and he hasn't here either .. 9th and an fa cup semi final (should have been a final and atleast runners up ) last season after losing 2 of the best championship players of the last decade

Some proper shit being spouted on here

 

[Ashdown]

I still think we need to give EMC time.

He may be low on confidence/struggling to adjust to the higher level, I don't know, but we need to give him more time than we have so far, rather than just write him off as shite after 9 games and he hasn't even featured in all them.

We wrote Wright and Simms off early last season too.

I don't think we can judge EMC just yet. He may have been shit so far and that's fine to say, but I'm not so sure we can declare him as, that he IS shit.

We paid over £4 million for this guy, he's been with the squad over 3 months. I want him desperately to succeed after all the hype but thus far…..he lacks pace, spatial awareness, confidence, he has one step over option to take on players…..I just haven’t seen anything yet that makes me think we haven’t been done over for that money.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

We've signed all these forwards and wingers yet lost midfielders and only bought Rudoni in, it just doesn't make sense, when Palmer went I thought oh well that means at least 1 maybe 2 are coming in, I kept refreshing my phone to see who had come in, I cannot get my head round it.

 

[wingy]

We've signed all these forwards and wingers yet lost midfielders and only bought Rudoni in, it just doesn't make sense, when Palmer went I thought oh well that means at least 1 maybe 2 are coming in, I kept refreshing my phone to see who had come in, I cannot get my head round it.

The owner pure and Simple!the Appleby's!!

 

[Cally Fedora]

If you look at the targets we’ve landed they’ve all been within Kings “profile”. Those we’ve missed out on haven’t. It’s obvious who is pulling the strings. It’s also why we’ve ended up with good players but an unbalanced squad.

 

[Deity]

Play 3-5-2

Play Your record signing (Wright) in his preferred position, along side Simms…. 38 goals between them last season and enough Pace and physical attributes to trouble defences.

Play wing backs and utilise MVE and JDS.

If after 60 mins the forwards are tiring you can bring on Bassette and BTA

If Rudoni is tiring you can bring on Tats at home or Torp away.

Our wide players are not firing this season and our defence leaks goals ….. time to change it up.

 

[Hobo]

As soon as teams see you’ve got money youre knackered

kitching emc wouldn’t be getting hammered by fans if they were 1mill signings

In fairness I would criticize them if they were free. Neither look to be Championship players. I accept it is early days for EMC? Too many thought he would walk into the side and perform? I never understood that attitude having to step up from League One?. Let's hope they both turn it around and prove me wrong!

 

[higgs]

In fairness I would criticize them if they were free. Neither look to be Championship players. I accept it is early days for EMC? Too many thought he would walk into the side and perform? I never understood that attitude having to step up from League One?. Let's hope they both turn it around and prove me wrong!

You would think when we spend 4.5 million on a player they would be shit hot don't see it with emc did we really need him that money could have been spent on a cm or cb or rb or lb

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[stevefloyd]

Looking more and more that we need a change every match imo. Wish in someways we didn’t spend the money the transfers brought in. Feel like it would be a lot more like a Robins team.

The main issue with the team is 100% a midfield general, they are the heartbeat of any team but we all know we haven't got one which we have needed since Hamer left and we also need a good centre half, its ok with development players as long as theres someone there to help/teach/encourage/demand but we haven't got that either, obviously we don't know what goes on behind the scenes but if Doug is trying to interfere he needs to get his clean shaven face out of it and leave it to people who do know

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

The main issue with the team is 100% a midfield general, they are the heartbeat of any team but we all know we haven't got one which we have needed since Hamer left and we also need a good centre half, its ok with development players as long as theres someone there to help/teach/encourage/demand but we haven't got that either, obviously we don't know what goes on behind the scenes but if Doug is trying to interfere he needs to get his clean shaven face out of it and leave it to people who do know

To be honest, not sure it’s just midfield. At the moment there’s such a lack of energy and tempo in moving the ball through the lines throughout.

Do think if I was in charge hiring a experienced CB and aggressive CM would be on my list but feel like tactic wise, we are way to slow and predictable in the ball.

 

[Boicey]

We’ve signed good players generally. But we’ve not done it to produce a balanced team. The squad is lopsided

You repeatedly argued they were all 'excellent' about a week ago. Now they're 'generally good'.
What will they be like next week?

 

[stevefloyd]

To be honest, not sure it’s just midfield. At the moment there’s such a lack of energy and tempo in moving the ball through the lines throughout.

Do think if I was in charge hiring a experienced CB and aggressive CM would be on my list but feel like tactic wise, we are way to slow and predictable in the ball.

As I said a midfield general would demand movement, the strength of any team is through the middle, goalkeeper centre half centre mid and striker...how many of that four do you think we have?

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

As I said a midfield general would demand movement, the strength of any team is through the middle, goalkeeper centre half centre mid and striker...how many of that four do you think we have?

Fair point on the middle. Not really sure we have any at the moment.

 

[Hobo]

You would think when we spend 4.5 million on a player they would be shit hot don't see it with emc did we really need him that money could have been spent on a cm or cb or rb or lb

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I doubt we spent that much? But even so.

 

[Cally Fedora]

You repeatedly argued they were all 'excellent' about a week ago. Now they're 'generally good'.
What will they be like next week?

Jeez. Semantics. Most are excellent players. And it was good generally.

 

[Sick Boy]

That money was the worst thing that happened to us. Instead of our tried and tested method of finding diamonds in the rough, suddenly we were spunking money at anybody we could find. We will look back with huge regret and that financial mismanagement in years to come.

Unfortunately, I have to agree. At this point we’re more likely to turn into another Stoke, which is still better than where we were 6-7 years ago.

 

[Sick Boy]

You would think when we spend 4.5 million on a player they would be shit hot don't see it with emc did we really need him that money could have been spent on a cm or cb or rb or lb

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At the time it was lauded as an example of unrivalled negotiation skills by the sycophants.

 

[Deity]

Unfortunately, I have to agree. At this point we’re more likely to turn into another Stoke, which is still better than where we were 6-7 years ago.

Couldn’t disagree more.

Without investment in the squad we would have gone down.

if you honestly think the club should have pocketed the Vik and Hamer money and not reinvested in the team then you don’t understand football.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Unfortunately, I have to agree. At this point we’re more likely to turn into another Stoke, which is still better than where we were 6-7 years ago.

Well, Stoke can do it every year with their owners’ bottomless money pit, we can’t. So we need to make these players succeed or accept a massive loss.

 

[Sick Boy]

Couldn’t disagree more.

Without investment in the squad we would have gone down.

if you honestly think the club should have pocketed the Vik and Hamer money and not reinvested in the team then you don’t understand football.

What? Where did I say that?

 

[Deity]

You agreed with a comment that did. Do keep up.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Don’t buy this at all. We haven’t spunked our money away. If you look from a purely commercial perspective the value of - at least - Wright, Simms, MVE, Sakamoto, - has increased markedly. Our playing assets are now higher than ever and not centralised in one or two players.

 

[Sick Boy]

You agreed with a comment that did. Do keep up.

The OP didn’t even say that, it’s something that you’ve made up.

 

[Deity]

Don’t buy this at all. We haven’t spunked our money away. If you look from a purely commercial perspective the value of - at least - Wright, Simms, MVE, Sakamoto, - has increased markedly. Our playing assets are now higher than ever and not centralised in one or two players.

Spot on.

 

[Hobo]

As I said a midfield general would demand movement, the strength of any team is through the middle, goalkeeper centre half centre mid and striker...how many of that four do you think we have?

A good midfield general drops into pockets of space and makes themselves available Nothing to do with demanding, they find space and know what the best option is for them. It maybe give it back to the same player who gave it to them

What is important is they keep moving and keep giving options. They create and maintain tempo in the passing. That is what undose teams, not possession. That is where stats fall down, they see possession as a flat stat that is all good.

We just don't have a Bannan or a Hogg. We have Sheaf but I don't think he is Premiership quality, not even the best at Championship level.

I'm not knocking Sheaf, it's more about knocking the fans who get carried away with expectation

 

[stevefloyd]

A good midfield general drops into pockets of space and makes themselves available Nothing to do with demanding, they find space and know what the best option is for them. It maybe give it back to the same player who gave it to them

What is important is they keep moving and keep giving options. They create and maintain tempo in the passing. That is what undose teams, not possession. That is where stats fall down, they see possession as a flat stat that is all good.

We just don't have a Bannan or a Hogg. We have Sheaf but I don't think he is Premiership quality, not even the best at Championship level.

I'm not knocking Sheaf, it's more about knocking the fans who get carried away with expectation

When I say demand I mean they expect a team mate to be able to accept a pass so in a way encourage (much better word) a player to continually move into space to be available but we haven't got a player like that, Sheaf is our nearest to that but he doesn't really show me that he encourages much

 

[Hobo]

When I say demand I mean they expect a team mate to be able to accept a pass so in a way encourage (much better word) a player to continually move into space to be available but we haven't got a player like that, Sheaf is our nearest to that but he doesn't really show me that he encourages much

I agree fully with that. Lack of movement and also when players do make runs we are too slow to spot it and too slow to deliver the ball.