Did you read the recent post with the link to the Independent?
How many MPs has UKIP got?
I don't think many are saying don't let ANY AT ALL in are they?
Just have stricter criteria and checks to filter out people who aren't actually in need. Stricter conditions for them being here (if they commit a crime, they get sent home for example)
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-from-terrorism-in-the-long-run-a7156756.htmlNo, sorry. Which one was that? Limited internet at the min, so probably missed it!
That the third biggest party in Britain has only one MP is a quirk of Britain's first past the post electoral system as you well know.
So where does the answer lie? All, none or some?If we open the doors to unlimited migrants/refugees there will be problems like France/Belgium/Germany. Guaranteed.
So where does the answer lie? All, none or some?
We had plenty of issues with home grown terrorism in the past, 7/7 for example.
\and a closed door policy would not have stopped the IRA I suspect.
I don't know the answer, but closing the doors, or being as restrictive as possible, so problem solved, is too simplistic. I do feel the UK has some responsibility though in view of historic and more recent history
Yes, but why didn't they vote in a direct vote for Farage 7 times? First past the post may not be democratic, but it has kept a lot of bad people out over the years. ( not that I am a great fan of it, but it has kept stability ).
No it isn't actually. Two were Islamist attacks, but in no way coordinated ( one may be a hanger on in addition to his existing death wish ). The others were personal and not even new refugees ( Ernie's Merkel refugees ). Two attacks as against right wing crime which is on the increase. Burning homes, some occupied is potentially far more dangerous than the occasional mad man.
The main coordinated attacks are not aimed at Germany. We did have the French game called off because of a terror threat - but that was because of France. Hollande has said he will destroy ISIS, whereas Merkel has offered shelter to all refugees including a majority of Muslims. I don't think we are the preferred target. If some nut posts a video and has a hand painted flag, then ok, ISIS says wtf we'll call him a soldier - costs nothing and causes a bit of panic.
On a personal note, I have been beaten up by right wingers after the fall of the wall, but never had any violence aimed at me by refugees.
Whilst I get what the article is saying, it is an opinion piece, no factual evidence. I'm sure the murdering, ruthless ISIS leaders will think of Germany as an ally and leave it alone as they took in those fleeing Isis.
We will see I guess.
Why are 'right wingers' making stance that they don't feel all refugees are welcome? No one was consulted, and the country if it carries on this way (Germany) will be in turmoil. Whilst I don't agree that burning down refugee shelters is in any way acceptable, or that not trying to help is ok, it is not surprising people are taking the law into their own hands when 'swarms of migrants' have shown up on their doorsteps.
I have been attacked by your average White British and not refugees (the same as you), but that doesn't mean that is the general quota across the board, in the same way that you can't say all refugees are bad. However, since the door was opened to absolutely everyone and anyone you have to realise that there has been more trouble everywhere. The last weeks attacks really do speak for themselves, look:
On 18 July, a teenage Afghan refugee hacked at passengers on a train in Wuerzburg with an axe and knife, wounding five. He was shot dead by police.
On 22 July, a German teenager of Iranian heritage shot dead nine people in Munich before shooting himself dead.
On 24 July, a 21-year-old Syrian refugee killed a woman with a machete and wounded five other people as he fled before being arrested.
Later that day, a 27-year-old Syrian whose refugee application had been refused blew himself up outside a bar in Ansbach. Fifteen people were wounded.
Also, in regards to Islamic terrorism, if you think Germany is not a preferred target you are very very mistaken to be honest.
Maybe a lot of people who think like that don't vote at all?
Yes, but why didn't they vote in a direct vote for Farage 7 times?
Yes, you could, but I won't be reading it ( I don't need to - the Express has an agenda and you know what is there before you even open the paper ) and people being afraid is not surprising when certain media talk about a row of 'terror' attacks - carefully not using the word 'terrorist' as they would get pulled on that. The independent has it's own bias, but at least it has some carefully thought out articles some of the time and not just 100% lies and half truths.
For the record, I am not in the slightest bit worried about a terrorist attack happening here ( except maybe during a Christmas Market as there may be a religious angle ). The events I am at do have extra security plans though - just in case. There may be pickpockets or arse grabbers ( I can't see them grabbing my arse though ;-) ). I will probably lose some business - on my event business - because of the Ansbach bomb, but I just don't see it kicking off here.
Years ago we had the Bavarian Bierkeller in Hertford Street. That closed not long after the Birmingham pub bombings because no one wanted to go into a cellar bar after hearing what happened in the Tavern in the Town in Brum.
More likely that a lot of people think he is a tosser. Just his fans cannot see that though.
His point is, these people are not Isis terrorists or refugees.Also, I notice you brush off the sexual assaults as Arse Grabbers?
Of course, pissed up people in nightclubs pinching a womans arse or shouting "oi darling" is one thing. Having a gang of blokes circle and try to rip clothes off and grope is slightly different.
So you are happy that there is an 'acceptable' level of bombings & suicide attacks, it can be taken as
a normal part of German culture?
His point is, these people are not Isis terrorists or refugees.
A racist, opportunist, self serving, lying, divisive pseudo politician establishment prick?Why is he such a tosser?
Not enough space here. Plenty of discussions about him in the internet. Not getting involved here.Why is he such a tosser?
No it doesn'tNo, but it is a bit of an example of that it is just brushed off "ah they are an arse pincher".
Aren't they refugees or people posing as refugees? If they aren't actual refugees, it backs the point up doesn't it?
No it doesn't
Mart cov explained who they were in an earlier post - time to get the tea on I think!If they aren't refugees, who are they?
Mart cov explained who they were in an earlier post - time to get the tea on I think!
My point is that they were mainly Nadris who took advantage of the situation. You ever Seen a crowd moving e.g. to get into a stadium when they hear kick off and they are still outside? I've Seen it a couple of times - the Police and stewards Open the gates and everyone piles in - tickets or not and no searches... That is a football match and not fleeing a war zone.. The border guards had no chance and the Nafris took advantage. They are more of a Problem than the refugees. We were Talking about terror attacks and in this case 'arse grabbers' are relatively harmless in comparison.No, but it is a bit of an example of that it is just brushed off "ah they are an arse pincher".
Aren't they refugees or people posing as refugees? If they aren't actual refugees, it backs the point up doesn't it?
My point is that they were mainly Nadris who took advantage of the situation. You ever Seen a crowd moving e.g. to get into a stadium when they hear kick off and they are still outside? I've Seen it a couple of times - the Police and stewards Open the gates and everyone piles in - tickets or not and no searches... That is a football match and not fleeing a war zone.. The border guards had no chance and the Nafris took advantage. They are more of a Problem than the refugees. We were Talking about terror attacks and in this case 'arse grabbers' are relatively harmless in comparison.
"Hello, Hi it's Nick here. Is that HSS Tool Hire? Great - You couldn't give me a price on your Hair Splitters could you?"Yes, they aren't actual refugees but they got in pretending to be them. Which backs up the point about not just letting anybody in willy nilly doesn't it....
"Hello, Hi it's Nick here. Is that HSS Tool Hire? Great - You couldn't give me a price on your Hair Splitters could you?"
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