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[Potbellypig]

When even the Guardian says Jaguar might've gone too far, it might be worth a thought.

From memory, North America is/was Jag's biggest market, maybe China. Not sure how this will play out there.

If you look at their obvious competitors, a lot of them look back to their heritage and prestige - they've spent a lot of time and effort to build exactly those brands.

As for potential purchasers dying off, there's a lot more rich middle aged and late middle aged people than rich young kids, and demographically likely always will be. Not a section of the market I'd discount, personally.

To clarify, I want nothing but success for Jaguar and all British car makers. It's in the blood; father, grandfather, uncles, cousins, and me all worked in the industry. I hope it pays off.

Hats off to Jaguar’s ‘inclusive’ new branding: now people of all backgrounds won’t buy its cars | Marina Hyde

In the aftermath of Trump’s victory, the ad already looks like a period piece. But aside from that – I mean, seriously? says Guardian columnist Marina Hyde

www.theguardian.com

China, by a long, long way.

 

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[duffer]

China, by a long, long way.

Are you sure about that? I've had a good look and I can find different stories on different websites.

I can't find anything that breaks Jaguar sales out of JLR sales either.

Not trying to pick a row, just interested...

Jaguar Land Rover Sales By Country – North America, Europe, UK, And China | Fundamental Data And Statistics For Stocks

Jaguar Land Rover (JLR)'s vehicle wholesale in North America, Europe, U.K., and China. Discover JLR's car sales numbers and year-over-year growth rates in these regions and countries.

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2023 (Full Year) Global: Jaguar Land Rover Worldwide Sale by Model - Car Sales Statistics

In full-year 2023, Jaguar Land Rover car sales worldwide increased by 27% with the Defender and Range Rover the global top-selling models.

www.best-selling-cars.com

 

[Potbellypig]

Are you sure about that? I've had a good look and I can find different stories on different websites.

I can't find anything that breaks Jaguar sales out of JLR sales either.

Not trying to pick a row, just interested...

Jaguar Land Rover Sales By Country – North America, Europe, UK, And China | Fundamental Data And Statistics For Stocks

Jaguar Land Rover (JLR)'s vehicle wholesale in North America, Europe, U.K., and China. Discover JLR's car sales numbers and year-over-year growth rates in these regions and countries.

stockdividendscreener.com

2023 (Full Year) Global: Jaguar Land Rover Worldwide Sale by Model - Car Sales Statistics

In full-year 2023, Jaguar Land Rover car sales worldwide increased by 27% with the Defender and Range Rover the global top-selling models.

www.best-selling-cars.com

Yeah it's complete and utter bollocks. I've worked there for over 10 years and see the business reports quarterly, they look nothing like those links.

 

[Grendel]

I don’t think the 2030 has actually been adopted yet. I think it was an aspiration. It would be ridiculous to have a different date and not in keeping with Starmer’s desire for closer alignment with Europe.

It’s interesting that Porsche are looking at Biofuel development as electric projects are looking unviable.

Germany and France are lobbying for this as part of Eu targets

Vauxhall can’t meet Van targets and JLR are miles behind targets which grow again next year

 

[MalcSB]

China, by a long, long way.

Haven’t China reverse engineered jaGUars yet?

 

[Sick Boy]

When even the Guardian says Jaguar might've gone too far, it might be worth a thought.

From memory, North America is/was Jag's biggest market, maybe China. Not sure how this will play out there.

If you look at their obvious competitors, a lot of them look back to their heritage and prestige - they've spent a lot of time and effort to build exactly those brands.

As for potential purchasers dying off, there's a lot more rich middle aged and late middle aged people than rich young kids, and demographically likely always will be. Not a section of the market I'd discount, personally.

To clarify, I want nothing but success for Jaguar and all British car makers. It's in the blood; father, grandfather, uncles, cousins, and me all worked in the industry. I hope it pays off.

Hats off to Jaguar’s ‘inclusive’ new branding: now people of all backgrounds won’t buy its cars | Marina Hyde

In the aftermath of Trump’s victory, the ad already looks like a period piece. But aside from that – I mean, seriously? says Guardian columnist Marina Hyde

www.theguardian.com

The video of Farage saying he hopes/they deserve to go out of business says it all about him. No other politician talks the country down as much as him. Tosser.

 

[MalcSB]

It’s interesting that Porsche are looking at Biofuel development as electric projects are looking unviable.

Germany and France are lobbying for this as part of Eu targets

Vauxhall can’t meet Van targets and JLR are miles behind targets which grow again next year

Being forced down a one size fits all route is daft.

Just done the LR test to see which fuel would best suit my needs and a PHEV was the answer. A diesel MHEV was next best - which is what a have. Mercedes I’m afraid, not JLR

 

[nicksar]

Haven’t China reverse engineered jaGUars yet?

Probably but JLR do have a manufacturing facility in China to serve that market.

 

[MalcSB]

It’s interesting that Porsche are looking at Biofuel development as electric projects are looking unviable.

Germany and France are lobbying for this as part of Eu targets

Vauxhall can’t meet Van targets and JLR are miles behind targets which grow again next year

The Taycan is a beautiful car in my opinion, great to drive but unreliable and depreciates very heavily. The Macan EV doesn’t look that attractive and if engineered like the Taycan will also drive well but be unreliable. Not surprised they are looking at alternatives, but I guess a biofuelling net work would take many years to establish.

Brazil has a lot to answer for!

 

[RobinsSkyBlues]

Yeah agree.

The people that traditionally buy Jaguars are either just not buying them or are dying off.

They need to do something to address that. Whether this is too extreme who knows, but clearly something had to budge.

I love my Jags. But they are not the same anymore. I recently bought an old s type as it was the best available and nearest to what you expect from a Jag. Will last me a long time as has covered hardly any mileage. But even with this one it is only Jaguar by name. Most of the parts are stamped as Ford and the engine was developed by Ford and Peugeot Citroën.

 

[MalcSB]

I love my Jags. But they are not the same anymore. I recently bought an old s type as it was the best available and nearest to what you expect from a Jag. Will last me a long time as has covered hardly any mileage. But even with this one it is only Jaguar by name. Most of the parts are stamped as Ford and the engine was developed by Ford and Peugeot Citroën.

They certainly won‘t be the same going forward.

 

[lewys33]

I love my Jags. But they are not the same anymore. I recently bought an old s type as it was the best available and nearest to what you expect from a Jag. Will last me a long time as has covered hardly any mileage. But even with this one it is only Jaguar by name. Most of the parts are stamped as Ford and the engine was developed by Ford and Peugeot Citroën.

PSA were considered top tier for diesel for a long time so a lot of people did engines/engine components with them.

 

[lewys33]

Pick my new motor up on Monday which is always nice.

 

[duffer]

I love my Jags. But they are not the same anymore. I recently bought an old s type as it was the best available and nearest to what you expect from a Jag. Will last me a long time as has covered hardly any mileage. But even with this one it is only Jaguar by name. Most of the parts are stamped as Ford and the engine was developed by Ford and Peugeot Citroën.

I quite like the more recent S-types, though I know they spilt opinion.

I *really* like the original S-types, we had one of those when I was a kid, and they were going for peanuts in the mid to late 70s.

My personal opinion is that the last Jaguar that really captured the brand was the x300, as built at Browns Lane. Grace, space, and pace.

They're still around at a reasonable price, and if well looked after are a lovely drive. Each to his own, obviously...

 

[RobinsSkyBlues]

I quite like the more recent S-types, though I know they spilt opinion.

I *really* like the original S-types, we had one of those when I was a kid, and they were going for peanuts in the mid to late 70s.

My personal opinion is that the last Jaguar that really captured the brand was the x300, as built at Browns Lane. Grace, space, and pace.

They're still around at a reasonable price, and if well looked after are a lovely drive. Each to his own, obviously...

Just like many Jags I didn't like the S-Type when it first came out. But the shape grew on me over the years. Paid well over the normal price for one as less than 40k on the clock with a full Jaguar service history.

I did consider a few models but I was looking for a usable reliable one and it ticked every box. Excellent motorway cruiser. Should still be going strong when we start to have to go electric. We can do 1k plus in a day when we drive to Italy or Spain sharing the drive. Wouldn't even consider doing this in an electric car especially in winter.

 

[RobinsSkyBlues]

PSA were considered top tier for diesel for a long time so a lot of people did engines/engine components with them.

Yes. Cracking engine. But Ford/DSA isn't Jaguar at all. Just like all the parts being Ford. As I said to me the last Jaguar that feels like a Jaguar. But it's still a Ford in disguise.

 

[skybluegod]

First experience of driving an EV for an extended period this week away with work. Provided with an MG4 travelling from the North east to near Swindon.

The car itself is nice, it's smooth and drives well. Very nippy. I personally don't like all the driver assistance stuff. Lane assist, automatic braking, speed noises. With the automatic braking can only turn it off and not have all the other functions like cruise control or have it on which seems stupid.

Of course the big issue. Range. There and back it took two charges on each leg. Meaning a 40 minute stop with the fast chargers which are no cheaper than petrol/diesel. So journey extended by 1:20 minutes and costs the same.

Used normal charges during the week. Much cheaper but also so impractical, 6 hours of charging charged 65%. It's fine when you are overnight at home. But if you are away for a period it's a pain.

Plus with the new laws on diesel and petrols from 2030, the infrastructure simply cannot cope. As it is most fast chargers are taken on motorways during the day, that needs to improve massively

 

[lewys33]

First experience of driving an EV for an extended period this week away with work. Provided with an MG4 travelling from the North east to near Swindon.

The car itself is nice, it's smooth and drives well. Very nippy. I personally don't like all the driver assistance stuff. Lane assist, automatic braking, speed noises. With the automatic braking can only turn it off and not have all the other functions like cruise control or have it on which seems stupid.

Of course the big issue. Range. There and back it took two charges on each leg. Meaning a 40 minute stop with the fast chargers which are no cheaper than petrol/diesel. So journey extended by 1:20 minutes and costs the same.

Used normal charges during the week. Much cheaper but also so impractical, 6 hours of charging charged 65%. It's fine when you are overnight at home. But if you are away for a period it's a pain.

Plus with the new laws on diesel and petrols from 2030, the infrastructure simply cannot cope. As it is most fast chargers are taken on motorways during the day, that needs to improve massively

a PHEV suits the vast majority. Not only to suit long journeys, and short journeys on battery but to suit the people who don’t want to change over as well, they could just buy it and never charge it!