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Which is what it boils down to.
Which is what it boils down to.But then again he probably couldn't find a 30+ Premier League GK to come to the club on 2 grand a week.
If we took a portion of the money we've spunked away on the outfield and given a good keeper a decent wage we'd be in the playoffs. Ogogo and Brown's wages and signing on fee alone would give us a very good keeper for this level.
But we've spent money on trying to improve the forwards, admittedly it hasn't worked as hoped but we've at least attempted it. Yes they should have scored more goals and that could put us higher in the table but Burge has made huge errors alone that would have put us in the playoffs with dropped points. This doesn't take into consideration the times he puts us on the back foot with his awful distribution the panic he causes the defence with balls into the box. There is a reason we concede so many from set pieces and while I'm not blaming Burge entirely you have to put a fair portion of those goals down to his inability to deal with crosses. How much better a unit were we with an experienced keeper who knew when to come and claim things? Like it or not a strikers usually get several chances a game to put the ball away so misses are afforded more leniency than a keeper giving away goals. Pushing the Luton header into the net, passing to the Burton striker and palming a ball out to an unmarked Burton striker in the 6 yard box. They didn't score the third but they could easily have done. That's three huge mistakes in three games since he came back in, akin to missing an open goal from a dead ball with no pressure as a striker. If any of out forwards did that they'd be lambasted. How many errors have you seen from away keepers at the Ricoh this season?That’s simply not the case. Our inability to finish chances has cost us way more points than Burge or any GK could cost us this season.
On Friday, had Thomas scored that 1v1, we probably win that game. Burge fucked up big time because had he not made his catalog of mistakes, we may have held on for a draw. However, at 2-1 up, even with a red card, the likelihood is that get something from the game.
Burge frankly had a horror show, there’s no excuse for that performance. But, that doesn’t mean other players get a free pass because Thomas’ miss cost us dearly. You simply can’t miss chances given to you on a plate.
As much as I like Thomas, he should have about double the amount of goals he currently has. If he improves his end product, he’ll be able to be a v good Championship player. He’s 19-20 so ought to develop that killer instinct over time.
But we've spent money on trying to improve the forwards, admittedly it hasn't worked as hoped but we've at least attempted it. Yes they should have scored more goals and that could put us higher in the table but Burge has made huge errors alone that would have put us in the playoffs with dropped points. This doesn't take into consideration the times he puts us on the back foot with his awful distribution the panic he causes the defence with balls into the box. There is a reason we concede so many from set pieces and while I'm not blaming Burge entirely you have to put a fair portion of those goals down to his inability to deal with crosses. How much better a unit were we with an experienced keeper who knew when to come and claim things? Like it or not a strikers usually get several chances a game to put the ball away so misses are afforded more leniency than a keeper giving away goals. Pushing the Luton header into the net, passing to the Burton striker and palming a ball out to an unmarked Burton striker in the 6 yard box. They didn't score the third but they could easily have done. That's three huge mistakes in three games since he came back in, akin to missing an open goal from a dead ball with no pressure as a striker. If any of out forwards did that they'd be lambasted. How many errors have you seen from away keepers at the Ricoh this season?
What's frustrating is that between Thomas and Enobakhare, we potentially have two top class future players, albeit with a focus on improvement in terms of decision making and finishing. I could quite easily see both of these go on to Jordan Hendersonesque paths, with their loans being the start of something good for them. Shame they haven't reached that full potential hereThat’s simply not the case. Our inability to finish chances has cost us way more points than Burge or any GK could cost us this season.
On Friday, had Thomas scored that 1v1, we probably win that game. Burge fucked up big time because had he not made his catalog of mistakes, we may have held on for a draw. However, at 2-1 up, even with a red card, the likelihood is that get something from the game.
Burge frankly had a horror show, there’s no excuse for that performance. But, that doesn’t mean other players get a free pass because Thomas’ miss cost us dearly. You simply can’t miss chances given to you on a plate.
As much as I like Thomas, he should have about double the amount of goals he currently has. If he improves his end product, he’ll be able to be a v good Championship player. He’s 19-20 so ought to develop that killer instinct over time.
But we've spent money on trying to improve the forwards, admittedly it hasn't worked as hoped but we've at least attempted it. Yes they should have scored more goals and that could put us higher in the table but Burge has made huge errors alone that would have put us in the playoffs with dropped points. This doesn't take into consideration the times he puts us on the back foot with his awful distribution the panic he causes the defence with balls into the box. There is a reason we concede so many from set pieces and while I'm not blaming Burge entirely you have to put a fair portion of those goals down to his inability to deal with crosses. How much better a unit were we with an experienced keeper who knew when to come and claim things? Like it or not a strikers usually get several chances a game to put the ball away so misses are afforded more leniency than a keeper giving away goals. Pushing the Luton header into the net, passing to the Burton striker and palming a ball out to an unmarked Burton striker in the 6 yard box. They didn't score the third but they could easily have done. That's three huge mistakes in three games since he came back in, akin to missing an open goal from a dead ball with no pressure as a striker. If any of out forwards did that they'd be lambasted. How many errors have you seen from away keepers at the Ricoh this season?
What's frustrating is that between Thomas and Enobakhare, we potentially have two top class future players, albeit with a focus on improvement in terms of decision making and finishing. I could quite easily see both of these go on to Jordan Hendersonesque paths, with their loans being the start of something good for them. Shame they haven't reached that full potential here
The most frustrating thing is he improved towards the end of last season and kept that form running at the begging of this. Look back on threads and you'll see I was supportive of him and desperate the club put a contract in front of him. Unfortunately he's deteriorated massively back to the form that meant RCC kept him out and when he came back in got us relegated.I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes because he has, he's also had some really good games like v Peterborough and Sunderland at home. I'm not going to make a list, but it's pretty self-evident that Robins will replace him if there's a better goalkeeper out there that's within our budget. His contract runs out in the summer so we'll see what happens in regards to that position.
Frankly, scapegoating Burge is just wrong because our problem is that we miss far too many chances and that has cost us far more points than defending and goalkeeping errors combined. I have no loyalty to Burge, and on Friday (he was terrible) he really was as bad as his worst critics suggest, but, I don't think he's been that bad this season, overall.
The most frustrating thing is he improved towards the end of last season and kept that form running at the begging of this. Look back on threads and you'll see I was supportive of him and desperate the club put a contract in front of him. Unfortunately he's deteriorated massively back to the form that meant RCC kept him out and when he came back in got us relegated.
We're supposed to be looking towards the Championship. He's not good enough for that and moving on would be best for all parties.
I'm not scapegoating him, if our strikers were better we'd be in the playoffs yes. Their play can be different based on the tactics we're playing, the productivity of our midfielders and Robins has a record of improving players in that position. Some of the misses have been frustrating but I can see potential. Running out of your goal like a headless chicken and passing simple balls to the opposition is something that won't be trained out of Burge though, by this age he's the keeper he's always going to be.
Robins has done well to have us where we are from the mess we were in no doubt. It has to be the summer he sorts out the keeper situation though. I don't think we'll progress without it and I'm hoping the contrast between Burge's last few games and Stockdale's has made that clear to him.I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, Burge has to work on facets of his game regardless of whether or not he chooses to stay. I back Robins to recruit a good GK if Burge chooses to leave (or if he fancies letting Burge go) but it could be a possibility no one was available at the time who was a better option in that position that fit our budget.
Lets also cut Robins some slack too, we've had to pretty much gut the team two seasons in a row to deal with the transition of promotion/relegation. Not to mention we lost our top scorer in McNulty. Therefore, I think a new GK was probably close to the bottom of the agenda and that on the whole, I'm happy with our recruitment and only time will tell if he's done a good job of it.
I would guess they wouldn't be happy but excuse them because its not a regular thing
How about Lee Burge though? We endured far worse than him having to watch himWe can’t get a new goalie until end of the season so we should support and incourage Leigh Burge, what he had to endure Friday was ridiculous.
WE HAVE NO-ONE ELSE
I have reservations regarding Lee's performances, but if we don't stop the negative comments his performances will only get worse......and I know some of you will state that would be impossible!We can’t get a new goalie until end of the season so we should support and incourage Leigh Burge, what he had to endure Friday was ridiculous.
WE HAVE NO-ONE ELSE
A difference between good keepers rhat make ofd bad mistakes and average keepers that make loads of bad mistakes ffs
Agree with this post, as a number of posters have. Very few are saying that Lee Burge is the finished article, most recognise that he has weaknesses, lack of control of his penalty area, some rash decision making, poor kicking, and, crucially, a lack of confidence (it would appear) that may well impact on the rest of the defence. Atvthe same time, a number of posters also dislike the abuse he gets at matches, and on this forum, abuse that can’t do his confidence any good. We have Lee Burge in goal until the end of the season, what good purpose does jeering him serve?I find the whole Burge thing quite strange. There are some who actively want to boo him or sarcastically applaud every time he catches something, which is nonsensical and embaressing to be honest. But on the other side there are still people who try and defend that he's a decent keeper. It's very obvious that League One and Two keepers have mistakes in them, if they didn't they would be playing in a higher division. What is also very clear, that is Burge's overall game doesn't make up for the amount of mistakes he makes. He is a very average League One keeper at best, probably a decent enough League two keeper. If we want to progress, we need a new keeper. I'm not sure where the myth that he's actually a 'very good shot-stopper' comes from. He has had some great moments for us, and at very important times (see Checkatrade Trophy final & Notts County), however, the mistakes outweigh the positives.
I also keep seeing 'he's only cost us (insert amount of goals - which are all drastically underestimated by the way)', but that is kind of irrelevant when some of his worst performances haven't cost us a goal more through luck or bailing him out. As an example a couple of seasons back we went to Burton, the game was on Sky I think, and he put in one of the most inept goalkeeping performances I've ever seen, missing countless crosses, but poor finishing and good defending bailed him out and in theory 'he didnt cost us a goal'. The point being, mistakes leading directly to goals shouldn't be what you measure it on, it should be based on his overall performance. Let's get a sense of reality. He's not a very good goalkeeper, but he doesn't need the barage of abuse he gets.
Is LOB still injured? Despite his flaws he always seemed better than burge to meWell he is all we got until the end of the season so let’s support him best we can!
Anyone remember Eric McManus?
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Oh god yes. :banghead:Anyone remember Eric McManus?
Anyone remember Eric McManus?
agreed! Looked like he was playing with a point to prove. if he can keep that type of performance up till end of the season, like he did last year, it would be greatThought Lee Burge had a good game last night.
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