shmmeee
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Look, I long ago gave up on fixing autocorrect errors.
It's not a case of 'outing' other positions,
Look, I long ago gave up on fixing autocorrect errors.
Wasn't sure what it was supposed to be
That’s completely the wrong way around…It's not a case of 'outing' other positions, but you prioritise the keeper and work from there.
It mine mean eating in to the budget for other positions, but like I said, that's why you have to be smart when recruiting.
“Put”
I agree, the amount of gift wrap goals we’ve conceded in April is a joke.
Correct me if I’m wrong here @Saddlebrains, something has probably changed from MR’s perspective too. The early prospective targets you listed did not include a GK and now we’re looking at a new Number 1. Was this always the case or a new development?
Reading between the lines, I would say say yes.
Sweeper keepers are in fashion now and they will make mistakes - look at Raya gifting an absolute howler v Spurs the other day. If we sign a keeper, they will be playing that way.
I understand the point but it is hard to ignore the fact that Pep changed Hart the moment he arrived, Klopp broke the transfer record on Allison, Arteta has changed Ramsdale for Raya, Howe brought in Pope as one of his first signings etc etcThat’s completely the wrong way around…
This season has ended on a whimper because we have a thin squad and it got too much for them.
Again, if you can win the golden glove with Ben Wilson in goal, GK really isn’t as important as you think.
The Mourinho and SAF maxims about GKs being worth 12-15 points is outdated and predates developments in analytics.
New development. He knows we need a better keeper, and Wilson we be going to make room for this
You'll always get anomalies.
France won the world cup with Stefan Givarch, strikers aren't that important.
And they may be from another era, but I'll still take what Ferguson and Mourhino say over some of the experts on here!
Agree, that anomaly though on a world cup was less than 10 games, you need better for a 40+ game competitionYou'll always get anomalies.
France won the world cup with Stefan Givarch, strikers aren't that important.
And they may be from another era, but I'll still take what Ferguson and Mourhino say over some of the experts on here!
Surely every keeper has saved more than they have let in, that would be an unbelievably bad team if they had let more in than they saved. Even the Sheff Utd keeper this year has made more than 100 saves despite letting in that amount of goalsIf you really believe that and have looked into the stats, you wouldn’t hold the opinions you do on Collins. He’s saved more goals than he’s let in and one of the highest match ratings in the league. What you’re saying doesn’t hold up against the numbers.
Specifically, relating to him starting ahead of Wilson.
Have a play around with the website below, note the respective stats for Meslier & Bazunu. Spoiler: they’re really bad and hasn’t stop Leeds and Southampton getting above 80+ points.
Championship Goalkeeper Stats | FBref.com
Check out Goalkeeper Stats for the 2024-2025 Championship season.fbref.com
But neither team have fulfilled their potential total this season either. Play offs isn’t a success for relegated clubs, it’s the absolute minimum expectation.If you really believe that and have looked into the stats, you wouldn’t hold the opinions you do on Collins. He’s saved more goals than he’s let in and one of the highest match ratings in the league. What you’re saying doesn’t hold up against the numbers.
Specifically, relating to him starting ahead of Wilson.
Have a play around with the website below, note the respective stats for Meslier & Bazunu. Spoiler: they’re really bad and hasn’t stop Leeds and Southampton getting above 80+ points.
Championship Goalkeeper Stats | FBref.com
Check out Goalkeeper Stats for the 2024-2025 Championship season.fbref.com
OK. Show us the stats.Why do the stats indicate otherwise?
For what it’s worth, I agree. Especially if we want to progress and it probably isn’t the number 1 priority as this season shown we had too thin a squad.New development. He knows we need a better keeper, and Wilson we be going to make room for this
To be fair for most fans the lens on a player is very short.For what it’s worth, I agree. Especially if we want to progress and it probably isn’t the number 1 priority as this season shown we had too thin a squad.
I just don’t like the toxic narrative a lot of people have towards Collins. It’s the same with Burge, apparently not good enough for L2 yet many years later is an established L1 GK.
Great news, Wilson definitely needs to be got shot off and then Collins can become the number 2. We need some proper solidity at the back, a keeper that our defenders can trust, I think we’ll see an improvement in a lot of our players if they know they can trust the geezer behind them.New development. He knows we need a better keeper, and Wilson we be going to make room for this
Have a look at the stats from the link I posted, a lot of GKs have conceded more goals than they should have. There’s a glossary of what each field means.Surely every keeper has saved more than they have let in, that would be an unbelievably bad team if they had let more in than they saved. Even the Sheff Utd keeper this year has made more than 100 saves despite letting in that amount of goals
If you really believe that and have looked into the stats, you wouldn’t hold the opinions you do on Collins. He’s saved more goals than he’s let in and one of the highest match ratings in the league. What you’re saying doesn’t hold up against the numbers.
Specifically, relating to him starting ahead of Wilson.
Have a play around with the website below, note the respective stats for Meslier & Bazunu. Spoiler: they’re really bad and hasn’t stop Leeds and Southampton getting above 80+ points.
Championship Goalkeeper Stats | FBref.com
Check out Goalkeeper Stats for the 2024-2025 Championship season.fbref.com
OK. Show us the stats.
You're right, we need a new keeper. But for the sake of petty forum arguments its still interesting to see. I come down on the side of Collins over Wilson too, think Wilson is a honking keeper. He'll be gone and Collins will start next season as our number 2 is the hope.Been better than Wilson is nothing to shout about.
He's responsible for a string of errors, we need better and it seems Robins agrees.
Stats are one thing but using our eyes to see the variety of embarassing goals we concede is another.
Absolutely. Proves there's still something to be said for the eye test and not recruiting just from graphs and charts. That said he's obviously preferable to the alternative.If the stats suggest Collins is one of the top keepers in the league then the analysis has to be questioned
I am a pro stat person but I’m sorry I trust my eyes more when it comes to Collins. He is absolutely wank. He is not convincing in the slightest when it comes to making saves. Everything is awkward.If you really believe that and have looked into the stats, you wouldn’t hold the opinions you do on Collins. He’s saved more goals than he’s let in and one of the highest match ratings in the league. What you’re saying doesn’t hold up against the numbers.
Specifically, relating to him starting ahead of Wilson.
Have a play around with the website below, note the respective stats for Meslier & Bazunu. Spoiler: they’re really bad and hasn’t stop Leeds and Southampton getting above 80+ points.
Championship Goalkeeper Stats | FBref.com
Check out Goalkeeper Stats for the 2024-2025 Championship season.fbref.com
Enjoy. Bradley Collins has the highest shot saved % on 76.5% and second highest shot stops per 90m (Fotmob).
@clint van damme for good measure.
Championship Goalkeeper Stats | FBref.com
Check out Goalkeeper Stats for the 2023-2024 Championship season.fbref.com
Championship Goalkeeper Stats | FBref.com
Check out Goalkeeper Stats for the 2024-2025 Championship season.fbref.com
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If the stats suggest Collins is one of the top keepers in the league then the analysis has to be questioned
I must admit I wasn't impressed with him all season but there was a marked deterioration in his play in the last 10 or so games. Do you have the stats for that period?Have a look at the stats from the link I posted, a lot of GKs have conceded more goals than they should have. There’s a glossary of what each field means.
I’ll use Cov as an example:
As a team, our xG ‘post-shot’ for goals conceded is 52.1 goals, and the goals we’ve conceded (non-FK and penalties) is 55. Therefore, on this metric, we’ve conceded 2.9 goals than we should have.
We’ve had two GKs this term, let’s see how they’ve faired based on all the shots each GK has faced:
1) Wilson - PSxG is 21.3, he conceded 25 goals (excluding FK & PK) so he conceded 3.7 more goals than he should have.
2) Collins - PSxG is 30.9, he conceded 30 goals (excluding FK and PK) so he conceded 1 goal less than he should have.
I hope this is helpful and might be an interesting visual for anyone interested.
Well, what does the data analytics community know that Grendel doesn’t?
It does show that Collins has had the ‘easiest’ difficulty of shots faced alongside Allsop so really Collins should be performing better. Equally, the argument he’s one of the worst GKs we’ve had for years just doesn’t make sense.
Have arsenal the second worst keeper in the league?
That’s not what the stats are saying at all and you know it. Shows how much you read because it’s out of 31 GKs, not 20 and Ramsdale is ranked 19/31 and Raya is ranked 21st.
The GKs playing for mid table / lower table teams are always over represented partly because they face more shots than the GKs playing for best teams i.e. Arsenal, Man City and Liverpool.
As someone once said, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.Have a look at the stats from the link I posted, a lot of GKs have conceded more goals than they should have. There’s a glossary of what each field means.
I’ll use Cov as an example:
As a team, our xG ‘post-shot’ for goals conceded is 52.1 goals, and the goals we’ve conceded (non-FK and penalties) is 55. Therefore, on this metric, we’ve conceded 2.9 goals than we should have.
We’ve had two GKs this term, let’s see how they’ve faired based on all the shots each GK has faced:
1) Wilson - PSxG is 21.3, he conceded 25 goals (excluding FK & PK) so he conceded 3.7 more goals than he should have.
2) Collins - PSxG is 30.9, he conceded 30 goals (excluding FK and PK) so he conceded 0.9 goal less than he should have.
I hope this is helpful and might be an interesting visual for anyone interested.
And also to make sure he tells the players they were only pretend tired.Is he aware that that's not what several posters on SBT are saying?
Can you use your contacts to get word to him?
To be fair for most fans the lens on a player is very short.
Are they good enough now ? will they be good enough next season ? If the answer is no we write them off as not good enough. We are not saying that can’t develop over time to be good just that they don’t take us forward in the short term and therefore we should seek better.
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