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Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Aug 15, 2014

Wonder if anyone can answer this?

i've heard that SISUs costs so far if you include ACLs come in at between 1.5 to 2 million pounds,if they go through with this and lose again what is the estimated cost in total that will ultimately be loaded onto the club?

1966skyblue · Aug 15, 2014

Would love to see Cov playing in Cov, however really feel ACL should not do a deal with Sisu. Would prefer to see us start again under new owners.

LB87ccfc · Aug 15, 2014

Just wonder if they are using this as a bargaining chip in any negotiations that may take place, ie. offer us a fair rental agreement and access to revenues and we drop it.?

Gosford Green · Aug 15, 2014

Devastating development, left to the last minute again.

SISU and their fans at Sixfields deserve each other. Bell ends.

Gosford Green · Aug 15, 2014

In the fairness of debate, is there any comment from the Sixfileders to make any sense of this ?

1966skyblue · Aug 15, 2014

LB87ccfc said:
Just wonder if they are using this as a bargaining chip in any negotiations that may take place, ie. offer us a fair rental agreement and access to revenues and we drop it.?

Why, would ACL need to. The appeal has no chance of succeeding. I think ACL should play hard ball now. With the payment earlier in the week they don't need to rush, whereas sisu can now expect less than 1k out sixfields.

Monners · Aug 15, 2014

Not unexpected. TF indicated thatey would be when he distinced Otium (the club) from the litigation. I shall be staying away from all games now until somehting positive happens. By the way RFC - please don't!! In all seriousness - don't (that if he hasn't already - not read the whole thread)

lapsed_skyblue · Aug 15, 2014

LJC_CCFC said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu always said would appeal. ACL accepted less than £590k towards Ricoh debt. Appeal might not be barrier we think.

ACL didn't "accept" the lesser sum, they got what was decided. I don't recall any comment from ACL on this yet.
It is no guideline as to whether the appeal condition will be relaxed.

ohitsaidwalker king power · Aug 15, 2014

LB87ccfc said:
Just wonder if they are using this as a bargaining chip in any negotiations that may take place, ie. offer us a fair rental agreement and access to revenues and we drop it.?

How can you reasonably hope for negotitations......its like negotiating with a terrorist.. we all want the hostage out alive... but the oxygen is running out.. the captors strangle hold released by the successive and damning verdicts delivered, completely ignored in the name of a 'cause' , that cause being ownership of the Ricoh and the rush for $ollars.

Its so so wrong on so so many levels.....

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 15, 2014

Not surprising, all this talk of returning is bull. I'd be surprised to see us at the Ricoh this season

DazzleTommyDazzle · Aug 15, 2014

It appears that SISU are very much a one trick pony in their approach to negotiation.

"Play hardball", "batter the other side" etc etc. that's fine if you win, but that seems to be less and less likely as the days go by.

Will there come a point at which they see the need to build some metaphorical bridges?

As Einstein said, the definition of insanity is to carry on doing the same thing and expect a different result.

I hope that in parallel to this disappointing news, they are talking to ACL and stressing that they will be keen to drop the appeal if a settlement can be agreed - and I hope that, if so, they are being realistic about what might be achievable.

italiahorse · Aug 15, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yup, the best way to avoid a court date is to negotiate an out of court settlement.

Unless there's no chance of winning then it's just a delay in the obvious.

Senior Vick from Alicante · Aug 15, 2014

I give up with this lot, been away for three weeks and were no further forward. At the risk of being insensitive I think we need to build a whicker man on the hill at sixfields and hope we catch a couple of conmen or women, fit and proper my arse. NOPM

italiahorse · Aug 15, 2014

LB87ccfc said:
Just wonder if they are using this as a bargaining chip in any negotiations that may take place, ie. offer us a fair rental agreement and access to revenues and we drop it.?

... ACL will just wait. They have just had a cash injection from Sisu and were breaking even anyway.

footyfrenzy · Aug 15, 2014

ACL won't be bothered, I mean they have nothing to hide right?

bigfatronssba · Aug 15, 2014

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
It appears that SISU are very much a one trick pony in their approach to negotiation.

"Play hardball", "batter the other side" etc etc. that's fine if you win, but that seems to be less and less likely as the days go by.

Will there come a point at which they see the need to build some metaphorical bridges?

As Einstein said, the definition of insanity is to carry on doing the same thing and expect a different result.

I hope that in parallel to this disappointing news, they are talking to ACL and stressing that they will be keen to drop the appeal if a settlement can be agreed - and I hope that, if so, they are being realistic about what might be achievable.

As has been said though everyone (including ACL) know that Sisu haven't a chance of winning. Therefore I don't see the JR threat holding much weight in negotiations. If anything it will make ACL less likely to give into Sisu's demands as it is just creating bad blood between them.

Also I might be wrong on this, but my understanding is an appeal will just be Sisu in a courtroom, therefore no defence costs for ACL.

spider_ricoh · Aug 15, 2014

When do we hear if the Court of Appeal will look at this? Is there a period of a week weeks in which SISU have to be told yes/no in terms of whether they get another hearing?

duffer · Aug 15, 2014

If this really is the way that SISU go about negotiating, then it's no great surprise that it all fell apart the first time around. I appreciate the theory that you don't want to lose the threat of an appeal as a bargaining chip, but ultimately this sort of approach is just going to harden attitudes towards them.

All of this talk of renconciliation is cant hypocrisy. SISU have shown again and again that they simply cannot be trusted.

Who could possibly negotiate with them when they keep pulling stunts like this? They dispute every single thing, they leave every payment,and every court move until the last minute. They pretend to be trying harder to engage, and yet once again they show that they care not a single jot about the fans.

SISU had a chance here to get people on their side for once, and all they'd really had to have done was do nothing. Let the appeal die, and then the pressure would have been firmly on ACL. But they can't help themselves - these serial chancers demand yet another day in court on the spurious line that they took too big a beating last time. I sincerely hope they get their arses kicked again, and that it costs them another small fortune to have it done.

One day they'll run out of options, and one day they'll be gone from the club. I can't wait.

Como · Aug 15, 2014

Sixfields and the minimal attendance is irrelevant.

900 non Cardiff supporters, well there probably was some Cardiff and independents within that 900, would be interesting to know how many were full price tickets.

The appeal was hardly unanticipated, very clearly stated that it would happen.

I wonder what the basis is, no doubt it will come out over time.

Hopefully this will put an end to back the Ricoh threads, but probably not.

skybluepm2 · Aug 15, 2014

If I didn't laugh I would cry..for months. Joy Seppalla you deserve to die a slow painful death you absolute whore

bigfatronssba · Aug 15, 2014

Como said:
Sixfields and the minimal attendance is irrelevant.

900 non Cardiff supporters, well there probably was some Cardiff and independents within that 900, would be interesting to know how many were full price tickets.

The appeal was hardly unanticipated, very clearly stated that it would happen.

I wonder what the basis is, no doubt it will come out over time.

Hopefully this will put an end to back the Ricoh threads, but probably not.

No new evidence can be submitted. The only basis that an appeal can take place is if Justice Hickinbottom interpreted the law wrong.

Colin1883 · Aug 15, 2014

Would they have to produce new evidence to be granted an appeal?

shmmeee · Aug 15, 2014

Utter bollocks, let's hope this is struck down at the first hurdle and we can move on. This signals another couple of months in battle with ACL at worst, it's just depressing. They don't even want to try and come back, anyone who believes they do is frankly a fool, just yet more ham fisted PR.

footyfrenzy said:
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ACL won't be bothered, I mean they have nothing to hide right?

This post would've made sense in May.

Jack Griffin · Aug 15, 2014

LJC_CCFC said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu always said would appeal. ACL accepted less than £590k towards Ricoh debt. Appeal might not be barrier we think.

It will be a barrier, it bloody well should be. You can't deal with people like that..

LJC_CCFC · Aug 15, 2014

@TheSimonGilbert: No official confirmation, but we definitely understand Sisu's appeal will not be a barrier to Ricoh negotiations. http://t.co/inL2s8SIWO

Jack Griffin · Aug 15, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
No new evidence can be submitted. The only basis that an appeal can take place is if Justice Hickinbottom interpreted the law wrong.

This is going all the way to the EU..

reading between the lines spoken by this man.

Nick · Aug 15, 2014

LJC_CCFC said:
@TheSimonGilbert: No official confirmation, but we definitely understand Sisu's appeal will not be a barrier to Ricoh negotiations. http://t.co/inL2s8SIWO

Good news at least! SISU would need to pull a miracle out of their arse for an appeal surely?

ccfc92 · Aug 15, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
You miss the point, there will be no negotiations now.

ACL are to blame.

ollyservetta · Aug 15, 2014

the pile of shite owning / running our club are a cancer ,they are not fit and proper to run / own a scrap yard .if anything comes out of this its the warning to all other clubs ,wont belong before west ham are in the same boat ,orient fans were saying that in their eyes, west ham are welcome to the Olympic stadium and all the debt that will come with it.

ecky · Aug 15, 2014

Hobo said:
It could be a bargaining tool while they negotiate? It can always be withdrawn. Just trying to see a positive in what blatantly appears a negative!

bargaining tool? you dont take a hammer to crack an egg...

ccfc92 · Aug 15, 2014

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Wonder if anyone can answer this?

i've heard that SISUs costs so far if you include ACLs come in at between 1.5 to 2 million pounds,if they go through with this and lose again what is the estimated cost in total that will ultimately be loaded onto the club?

of course it will. SISU wouldn't put these costs onto their own accounts.

Nick · Aug 15, 2014

ccfc92 said:
ACL are to blame.

If Simon is correct and this appeal won't stop negotiations then common sense has prevailed from at least ACL's side I think. Just have to hope it is contagious if they meet to discuss!

ccfc92 · Aug 15, 2014

Gosford Green said:
In the fairness of debate, is there any comment from the Sixfileders to make any sense of this ?

Yeah.

Love you timmy xx

covmark · Aug 15, 2014

What a bunch of drama queens. Wishing someone a slow and painful death, cancer of our club. FFS they always said they were going to appeal. Its not really news is it? What is news though is Mr Gilbert's tweet about it being no barrier to negotiations. That's got to be positive surely.

fernandopartridge · Aug 15, 2014

Gosford Green said:
In the fairness of debate, is there any comment from the Sixfileders to make any sense of this ?

As has been clear all along it is the only bargaining tool they've got. Otherwise, to be frank, they're at the mercy of the not so generous ACL.

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