NTFC Official Statement re:ACL (2 Viewers)

[Nick]

You claim (many) others have a blind anti-Sisu obsession (which is hardly surprising given they own us and have 'led' us to this) yet you never seem to acknowledge those (few) with 10,000+ posts like you, Grendel, Torch and Robo who obsessively post anti-ACL and anti-protest views. You somehow present them as 'balanced'.. when infact you obsess and post more than anyone else!

...and most people are more interested in Sisu because they own the club and are responsible for health and future (or should be).

Yes I have lots of threads and posts but you have to remember I have been on here since the start and don't split them between two accounts to get my point across...

I would say I am pro ccfc, couldn't give a toss about the council, higgs or sisu.

 

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[Mr Creosote]

All the pressure so far is on SISU, we need to highlight there are two parties that need to come together and agree a deal. SISU and CCC need to talk again and will only be forced if they something us hurting them. For SISU it's money, for CCC it's political pressure......

 

[Astute]

I think that council tax protest is silly if that helps. I'm not saying everybody is one sided but when people say they care more about acl than bringing our club home it makes you think... a lot of the posts against the council never really seem AS ott as the anti sisu ones where they get blamed for random things. I have never that I remember agreed with much sisu have done as a lot of it doesn't even need to be said but when people think they are the only factor it gets frustrating as people care more about acl or the council than bringing the club home....

For example the player ratings thread earlier.

You do keep mentioning that there are many pro ACL posters that think more of ACL than bringing our club home. Do you really believe this?

I am not pro ACL. I am fully against SISU getting the freehold though. They can't be trusted. And they want to rip off a charity at the same time. Otherwise why won't Joy say what price is the only price she will pay?

 

[jaytskyblue]

All the pressure so far is on SISU, we need to highlight there are two parties that need to come together and agree a deal. SISU and CCC need to talk again and will only be forced if they something us hurting them. For SISU it's money, for CCC it's political pressure......

If you want to pressure a councillor to sell the ricoh to Sisu fill your boots.
I personally think they are incompetent, untrustworthy, will be nothing but trouble and are after a cheap purchase at the expense of taxpayers- and the sale may not benefit the club in any case.

 

[Nick]

If you want to pressure a councillor to sell the ricoh to Sisu fill your boots.
I personally think they are incompetent, untrustworthy, will be nothing but trouble and are after a cheap purchase at the expense of taxpayers- and the sale may not benefit the club in any case.

It also may benefit greatly, that is what we don't know I think it would be hard not to be in a better position than when were were at the ricoh though.

 

[jaytskyblue]

It also may benefit greatly, that is what we don't know I think it would be hard not to be in a better position than when were were at the ricoh though.

I'm glad you cant put 'we' when talking about Sisu :0)
The fact is they have proved unethical failures, cant be trusted and have burnt their bridges in Coventry. v.likely a diifferent story with new owners and a fresh start.

 

[Astute]

It also may benefit greatly, that is what we don't know I think it would be hard not to be in a better position than when were were at the ricoh though.

Timothy said that if this new ground was built he didn't know if our club would own it. So what makes you think that our club would own the Ricoh if SISU got their hands on it?

 

[Nick]

I'm glad you cant put 'we' when talking about Sisu :0)
The fact is they have proved unethical failures, cant be trusted and have burnt their bridges in Coventry. v.likely a diifferent story with new owners and a fresh start.

I'd love nothing more than new owners with investment and the ricoh. However we just don't know who would be lined up do we? The only one who has been open is haskell and he was apparently buying the ricoh months ago...

 

[Tonylinc]

It also may benefit greatly, that is what we don't know I think it would be hard not to be in a better position than when were were at the ricoh though.

"That is what we don't know". I think we do know. If you would trust Shitzu with the freehold ownership of the Ricoh then fair enough but I think that there more intelligent posters on here that would argue the opposite.

 

[Nick]

"That is what we don't know". I think we do know. If you would trust Shitzu with the freehold ownership of the Ricoh then fair enough but I think that there more intelligent posters on here that would argue the opposite.

By that I mean even if sisu did own it we would at least get pie money.

 

[Astute]

By that I mean even if sisu did own it we would at least get pie money.

SISU=we ?

 

[jaytskyblue]

Damn it you just said 'we',when you meant Sisu!
haha Astute beat me to it...

 

[Nick]

SISU=we ?

Obviously not, I meant the club. We were talking about if sisu owned the ground. I said we would be better off than beforeas we would at least get pie money, the club...

 

[Astute]

Owning the freehold wouldn't get SISU the pie money. This is just an excuse to get the Ricoh on the cheap.

 

[Nick]

Owning the freehold wouldn't get SISU the pie money. This is just an excuse to get the Ricoh on the cheap.

What I meant was I'm sure sisu would let the club have the pie money at least if they owned it... I didn't explain it properly.

 

[skybluefred]

There is not a single solitary argument that can be put forward for sisu owning any part of the Ricoh Arena.

Since the fateful day their tenure as owners of CCFC began we have seen disaster follow disaster, All of our best players
sold and not replaced,Accounts not submitted on time for THREE consecutive years which resulted in transfer embargo's,
which meant we could not sign players in the close season,(mind you with sisu's record of actually paying money for players) we wouldn't have been signing any anyway.All of this followed by sisu engineering our relegation to league one,
and then choosing administration to get rid of a legally binding lease that they had signed,and trying to distress a Charity
by refusing to pay a miserable few grand that they rightly owed.And then taking OUR FOOTBALL CLUB to Play HOME games in Northampton being the final kick in the teeth for our supporters.

And still the tiny minority support them, TOTALLY INCREDIBLE.

 

[Nick]

There is not a single solitary argument that can be put forward for sisu owning any part of the Ricoh Arena.

Since the fateful day their tenure as owners of CCFC began we have seen disaster follow disaster, All of our best players
sold and not replaced,Accounts not submitted on time for THREE consecutive years which resulted in transfer embargo's,
which meant we could not sign players in the close season,(mind you with sisu's record of actually paying money for players) we wouldn't have been signing any anyway.All of this followed by sisu engineering our relegation to league one,
and then choosing administration to get rid of a legally binding lease that they had signed,and trying to distress a Charity
by refusing to pay a miserable few grand that they rightly owed.And then taking OUR FOOTBALL CLUB to Play HOME games in Northampton being the final kick in the teeth for our supporters.

And still the tiny minority support them, TOTALLY INCREDIBLE.

Who is supporting them?

 

[skybluefred]

Who is supporting them?

The tiny minority who post their support for them on this forum, RFC for instance.

 

[skybluetony176]

Who is supporting them?

the people who keep fighting shitsu's corner and throwing all their venom at ACL/CCC/Higgs instead of in the other direction.

i know ACL/CCC/Higgs aren't blameless but in comparison to shitsu it aint worth the effort at this moment in time. you don't step over a pound to pick up a penny, its as simple as that.

if shitsu had of put the same amount of effort into keeping the club in the city as they did into engineering a way out we would still be in Coventry, simple.

 

[tbh444]

Have very little respect for NTFC and some of their fanbase - there was a big contrast with how Walsall fans reacted to the groundshare speculation, they massively lobbied their club to make sure it didn't happen and I have a lot of respect for that. But on the main NTFC forum well over half voted to take the money and sod the wider integrity or fan solidarity - 'not our problem' basically. Some of their fans were very opposed to be fair but even so I hope they crash and burn this season.

 

[torchomatic]

I don't think anyone is fighting SISUs corner. People can just see more than one side, etc

the people who keep fighting shitsu's corner and throwing all their venom at ACL/CCC/Higgs instead of in the other direction.

i know ACL/CCC/Higgs aren't blameless but in comparison to shitsu it aint worth the effort at this moment in time. you don't step over a pound to pick up a penny, its as simple as that.

if shitsu had of put the same amount of effort into keeping the club in the city as they did into engineering a way out we would still be in Coventry, simple.

 

[mark_ccfc]

It also may benefit greatly, that is what we don't know I think it would be hard not to be in a better position than when were were at the ricoh though.

Nick, SISU have been in charge of CFCC long enough to see whether they are competent and whether they have the clubs best interests at heart. Their current track record shows that they are incompetent and do not give a Camel's hump about the team, surely you can see that.

 

[Covstu]

There is not a single solitary argument that can be put forward for sisu owning any part of the Ricoh Arena.

Since the fateful day their tenure as owners of CCFC began we have seen disaster follow disaster, All of our best players
sold and not replaced,Accounts not submitted on time for THREE consecutive years which resulted in transfer embargo's,
which meant we could not sign players in the close season,(mind you with sisu's record of actually paying money for players) we wouldn't have been signing any anyway.All of this followed by sisu engineering our relegation to league one,
and then choosing administration to get rid of a legally binding lease that they had signed,and trying to distress a Charity
by refusing to pay a miserable few grand that they rightly owed.And then taking OUR FOOTBALL CLUB to Play HOME games in Northampton being the final kick in the teeth for our supporters.

And still the tiny minority support them, TOTALLY INCREDIBLE.

I agree with what you are saying mostly, these problems were in play way before they took charge or else we wouldn't have been so close to admin all those years back. Sadly just taken it to another level.

 

[Nick]

Nick, SISU have been in charge of CFCC long enough to see whether they are competent and whether they have the clubs best interests at heart. Their current track record shows that they are incompetent and do not give a Camel's hump about the team, surely you can see that.

My point about that was that I'm sure even if sisu were to own it then the club would be better off in terms of less rent and profit share of pies etc than before when the club was renting from acl.

 

[cochese]

There is not a single solitary argument that can be put forward for sisu owning any part of the Ricoh Arena.

Since the fateful day their tenure as owners of CCFC began we have seen disaster follow disaster, All of our best players
sold and not replaced,Accounts not submitted on time for THREE consecutive years which resulted in transfer embargo's,
which meant we could not sign players in the close season,(mind you with sisu's record of actually paying money for players) we wouldn't have been signing any anyway.All of this followed by sisu engineering our relegation to league one,
and then choosing administration to get rid of a legally binding lease that they had signed,and trying to distress a Charity
by refusing to pay a miserable few grand that they rightly owed.And then taking OUR FOOTBALL CLUB to Play HOME games in Northampton being the final kick in the teeth for our supporters.

And still the tiny minority support them, TOTALLY INCREDIBLE.

Whilst much of what you have said is true, what you're missing is the reasoning behind all of the actions that you've pointed out. Firstly, players move on. We've always had players move on to bigger and better things. Be it Westwood to Sunderland, or Dublin to Villa. That's just football. As for the lease that was signed by SISU, well it was our previous owners who signed that lease, and it was SISU who took over the lease when purchasing the club. Had SISU really known the impact of that then I very much doubt they would have bought the club. And for that I'd point the finger at random and the early directors of SISU, people who are no longer associated with the management of our club. The Higgs charity had approved the sale of their share of the Ricoh to SISU which was then blocked by ACL so I'm not sure why you think they were being distressed? The whole administration process you could easily argue was initiated by ACL in an attempt to keep hold of their lease and force new owners. Which failed dramatically. And as a result, that lease has now been broken. And finally as owners of the football club, why would you then want to sign another lease with the Ricoh arena when they have shown nothing but contempt for the football club, using it as a cash cow for all these years.
These last few seasons we have focused on youth development, and bought in two much improved managers in robins and pressley. SISU created this mess, and now they're trying to fix it. The change in directors and improved choice of managers has shown this. Bringing the football club and the Ricoh (or a new ground) together makes the football club a much better proposition for future buyers and investors. So there is your one solitary agrument for allowing SISU own part of the Ricoh arena. Then they'll be out of the club for ever...

 

[mark_ccfc]

Whilst much of what you have said is true, what you're missing is the reasoning behind all of the actions that you've pointed out. Firstly, players move on. We've always had players move on to bigger and better things. Be it Westwood to Sunderland, or Dublin to Villa. That's just football. As for the lease that was signed by SISU, well it was our previous owners who signed that lease, and it was SISU who took over the lease when purchasing the club. Had SISU really known the impact of that then I very much doubt they would have bought the club. And for that I'd point the finger at random and the early directors of SISU, people who are no longer associated with the management of our club. The Higgs charity had approved the sale of their share of the Ricoh to SISU which was then blocked by ACL so I'm not sure why you think they were being distressed? The whole administration process you could easily argue was initiated by ACL in an attempt to keep hold of their lease and force new owners. Which failed dramatically. And as a result, that lease has now been broken. And finally as owners of the football club, why would you then want to sign another lease with the Ricoh arena when they have shown nothing but contempt for the football club, using it as a cash cow for all these years.
These last few seasons we have focused on youth development, and bought in two much improved managers in robins and pressley. SISU created this mess, and now they're trying to fix it. The change in directors and improved choice of managers has shown this. Bringing the football club and the Ricoh (or a new ground) together makes the football club a much better proposition for future buyers and investors. So there is your one solitary agrument for allowing SISU own part of the Ricoh arena. Then they'll be out of the club for ever...

Why do people keep arguing that SISU didn't know what they were getting into. They saw the books before they took over, it was the temptation of getting their hands on the stadium and the surrounding that brought them here. Their own greed has brought their downfall as they haven't acquired the stadium at a snip like they were hoping. Their plan B of distressing ACL failed when the council outmanoeuvred them with refinancing the loan.
Personally I think SISU have backed their selves into a corner. JP may have found interested investors that's a long way from actually securing Their investment. While fans are staying away I don't think these investors will cough up the money. Pressley is doing a fine job with the youngsters but as the season progresses and injuries occur to our thin squad, results will take a hit and so will the number of fans.
Doesn't look good for SISU.

 

[skybluetony176]

I don't think anyone is fighting SISUs corner. People can just see more than one side, etc

like i said, no ones blameless. i just see one party considerably more too blame than the other, that being shitsu. shitsu are currently the biggest obstacle in a future for our club that doesn't involve relegation battle's, relegation, late filing of accounts, transfer embargos, selling of our best players, selling our best players for the 1st offer that comes along without getting the true value, regular manager sackings, decent managers clearing off at the 1st opportunity, directors who don't share the fans passion for the club, directors who's comments smack of incompetence, directors who's comments smack of insult to the fans, putting themselves in administration, bringing liquidation and that's without mentioning that they did more to take our club away from its home than they did to make it stay.

if you really want to ignore all those points that i can think off the top off my head to throw scorn at ACL then i feel sorry for you. its like locking someone up for stealing a knife and not holding them to account for the murder they committed with it.

like I've said several times getting rid of shitsu may well bring ground ownership at the same time, that's a win/win encase you hadn't realised.

and if getting rid of shitsu doesn't get rid of ACL that's the point we come together to push for the keys to the ricoh.

 

[skybluetony176]

My point about that was that I'm sure even if sisu were to own it then the club would be better off in terms of less rent and profit share of pies etc than before when the club was renting from acl.

that's a big assumption. you are assuming that by then the community haven't abandoned the club. if they have and there are 2000 going to every home game shitsu are going to have to sell an awful lot of pie's to the 2000 individual's to make up for 10,000 lost ticket sales, not to mention shirt sales and other merchandise.

under shitsu and FFP rules our club is heading in one direction only and it aint up.

if the height of your ambition for the club is the conference then keep on turning a blind eye/supporting shitsu. if it aint then start doing everything in your means to get them out regardless of how futile that may seem at least you're going down with a fight. we're sky blues after all, not French. and i have dreams of Coventry reaching the premiership again and putting their name on the FA cup again. if you share my ambitions then you need to be more ambitious than shitsu.

 

[Tonylinc]

I can see the sense in the Ricoh and CCFC being under one ownership BUT not with Shitzu owning them both. I simply do not trust them. It has been suggested that a sale to them could go ahead with conditions such as they would not be allowed to separate the two entities. This is not possible on a sale of the freehold. It can be done on a leasehold estate BUT not on a freehold. If they were ever to get their grubby little hands on the freehold is their anyone on here who would trust them to do the right thing CCFC?

 

[Grendel]

I can see the sense in the Ricoh and CCFC being under one ownership BUT not with Shitzu owning them both. I simply do not trust them. It has been suggested that a sale to them could go ahead with conditions such as they would not be allowed to separate the two entities. This is not possible on a sale of the freehold. It can be done on a leasehold estate BUT not on a freehold. If they were ever to get their grubby little hands on the freehold is their anyone on here who would trust them to do the right thing CCFC?

What they going to do Tony? Demolish the Ricoh and rebuild it in the Cayman Islands?

 

[Astute]

What they going to do Tony? Demolish the Ricoh and rebuild it in the Cayman Islands?

Don't you own the Cayman Islands Grendull?

 

[italiahorse]

Don't you own the Cayman Islands Grendull?

No thats the caveman islands .

 

[PWKH]

Cochese said "The Higgs charity had approved the sale of their share of the Ricoh to SISU which was then blocked by ACL so I'm not sure why you think they were being distressed?"

No and no.
The Higgs Charity has at no point approved the sale of their shares to Sisu.
ACL cannot block sales of shares in ACL. I am afraid that you are confused.

 

[bradwellskyblues]

pwkh do you expect any contact from otium any time soon

 

[cochese]

Cochese said "The Higgs charity had approved the sale of their share of the Ricoh to SISU which was then blocked by ACL so I'm not sure why you think they were being distressed?"

No and no.
The Higgs Charity has at no point approved the sale of their shares to Sisu.
ACL cannot block sales of shares in ACL. I am afraid that you are confused.

I'm sure I've read somewhere that this was the case? No problems to be proven otherwise. Just going by what I hear.